Re: Post-Last-Call document-RFC Changes

2010-04-23 Thread Jari Arkko
John, the expectation is that they will use discretion and initiate a community [re]review of proposed changes when appropriate. ... and I think that is already happening. We do bring documents back at times, either completely bringing them back in the process or confirm a change with

Re: Post-Last-Call document-RFC Changes

2010-04-23 Thread John C Klensin
--On Friday, April 23, 2010 10:20 +0300 Jari Arkko jari.ar...@piuha.net wrote: John, the expectation is that they will use discretion and initiate a community [re]review of proposed changes when appropriate. ... and I think that is already happening. We do bring documents back at

Re: Post-Last-Call document-RFC Changes

2010-04-23 Thread Simon Josefsson
Bob Braden bra...@isi.edu writes: If I may comment from my position as ex-RSE, the RFC Editor's policy for at least the past 10 years has been to fuss at authors who ask for substantive changes in AUTH48, but then to follow the dictum: better to get it right than get it early. In other words,

Re: Post-Last-Call document-RFC Changes

2010-04-23 Thread SM
At 21:31 22-04-10, John C Klensin wrote: My concern, and what motivated my comment, is that, for documents that are supposed to represent consensus within some stream, the author (and even the author + WG Chair + AD) may not be the final authority on right. If was not a concern that the RFC

Post-Last-Call document-RFC Changes (was: Re: Pointing to IANA registries)

2010-04-22 Thread John C Klensin
(I've changed the subject line because this topic might interest members of the community who have long since tuned out the Pointers to IANA... topic.) Below... --On Thursday, April 22, 2010 11:50 +0200 Julian Reschke julian.resc...@gmx.de wrote: ... In some cases there's also a considerable

Re: Post-Last-Call document-RFC Changes (was: Re: Pointingto IANA registries)

2010-04-22 Thread Spencer Dawkins
I might drift slightly toward there should be a published Internet-Draft that differs only in formatting-as-an-RFC from what is published as an RFC, but would be willing to listen to arguments that this is too strict - but I broadly agree with what's said below. Spencer (I've changed the

Re: Post-Last-Call document-RFC Changes (was: Re: Pointingto IANA registries)

2010-04-22 Thread John C Klensin
--On Thursday, April 22, 2010 13:27 -0500 Spencer Dawkins spen...@wonderhamster.org wrote: I might drift slightly toward there should be a published Internet-Draft that differs only in formatting-as-an-RFC from what is published as an RFC, but would be willing to listen to arguments that

Re: Post-Last-Call document-RFC Changes

2010-04-22 Thread Bob Braden
If I may comment from my position as ex-RSE, the RFC Editor's policy for at least the past 10 years has been to fuss at authors who ask for substantive changes in AUTH48, but then to follow the dictum: better to get it right than get it early. In other words, the RFC Editor did push back but

Re: Post-Last-Call document-RFC Changes

2010-04-22 Thread Brian E Carpenter
Bob, I hope we all agree with that. There can be a difficulty, however, if the apparently obvious and correct technical fix actually has implications beyond the obvious that might be picked up by renewed WG discussion or even a repeat Last Call. But I think we would be foolish to legislate on

Re: Post-Last-Call document-RFC Changes

2010-04-22 Thread Martin Rex
Brian E Carpenter wrote: There can be a difficulty, however, if the apparently obvious and correct technical fix actually has implications beyond the obvious that might be picked up by renewed WG discussion or even a repeat Last Call. But I think we would be

Re: Post-Last-Call document-RFC Changes

2010-04-22 Thread John C Klensin
--On Thursday, April 22, 2010 13:23 -0700 Bob Braden bra...@isi.edu wrote: If I may comment from my position as ex-RSE, the RFC Editor's policy for at least the past 10 years has been to fuss at authors who ask for substantive changes in AUTH48, but then to follow the dictum: better to get

Re: Post-Last-Call document-RFC Changes

2010-04-22 Thread John C Klensin
--On Thursday, April 22, 2010 23:45 +0200 Martin Rex m...@sap.com wrote: Maybe this is much more of a tools than of a procedural issue? (I personally don't know the AUTH48 and editing process). If the RFC Editor would provide his edited document back to the document author in a format