Re: Pre-picking one solution (Re: [ietf-dkim] Re: WG Review: Domain Keys Identified Mail) (dkim)

2005-12-22 Thread william(at)elan.net
On Fri, 23 Dec 2005, Mark Delany wrote: On Thu, Dec 22, 2005 at 06:35:47AM -0800, william(at)elan.net allegedly wrote: Not necessarily. One of the proposals that went into DKIM had characteristic of storing public key fingerprints in dns. This seems quite close to DK but has a number of advan

Re: Pre-picking one solution (Re: [ietf-dkim] Re: WG Review: Domain Keys Identified Mail) (dkim)

2005-12-22 Thread Mark Delany
On Thu, Dec 22, 2005 at 06:35:47AM -0800, william(at)elan.net allegedly wrote: > Not necessarily. One of the proposals that went into DKIM had characteristic > of storing public key fingerprints in dns. This seems quite close to DK but > has a number of advantages and unlike DKIM or DK does not pu

Re: Pre-picking one solution (Re: [ietf-dkim] Re: WG Review: Domain Keys Identified Mail) (dkim)

2005-12-22 Thread Douglas Otis
On Dec 22, 2005, at 8:38 AM, Keith Moore wrote: If your goal is gaining consensus on a useful specification in the shortest amount of time, it makes far more sense to work on the different aspects of the problem in parallel rather than serially. My concern regarding the charter is related

Re: Pre-picking one solution (Re: [ietf-dkim] Re: WG Review: Domain Keys Identified Mail) (dkim)

2005-12-22 Thread Keith Moore
> Keith Moore wrote: > > OTOH, the assumption that _all_ public keys used to validate DKIM > > signatures will be stored in DNS is a very limiting one, because it > > appears to lead to either > > > > a) a constraint that policy be specified only on a per-domain basis > > (which is far too coar

Re: Pre-picking one solution (Re: [ietf-dkim] Re: WG Review: Domain Keys Identified Mail) (dkim)

2005-12-22 Thread william(at)elan.net
On Thu, 22 Dec 2005, Barry Leiba wrote: Actually, the DKIM base spec does provide a mechanism for replacing the DNS keystore with something else. Look at 1.4 for a general statement, and the description of the "q=" tag in 3.5. DKIM's intended to be able to support user-level keys in a future

Re: Pre-picking one solution (Re: [ietf-dkim] Re: WG Review: Domain Keys Identified Mail) (dkim)

2005-12-22 Thread Barry Leiba
Keith Moore wrote: OTOH, the assumption that _all_ public keys used to validate DKIM signatures will be stored in DNS is a very limiting one, because it appears to lead to either a) a constraint that policy be specified only on a per-domain basis (which is far too coarse for many domains) or

Re: Pre-picking one solution (Re: [ietf-dkim] Re: WG Review: Domain Keys Identified Mail) (dkim)

2005-12-22 Thread william(at)elan.net
On Thu, 22 Dec 2005, Keith Moore wrote: Sometimes feed-forward _is_ useful, and I would agree that the use of DNS to store public key information is one of the fundamental assumptions behind DKIM. Change that assumption and you will probably produce a system with very different characteristi

Re: Pre-picking one solution (Re: [ietf-dkim] Re: WG Review: Domain Keys Identified Mail) (dkim)

2005-12-22 Thread Spencer Dawkins
Branching off from the interminable "justifiable changes" thread Dropping DKIM, because those people suffer enough without being subjected to more general discussion about the nature of the universe at IETF :-) I applaud Cullen for his note. I agree with the parts that Harald snipped out

Re: Pre-picking one solution (Re: [ietf-dkim] Re: WG Review: Domain Keys Identified Mail) (dkim)

2005-12-22 Thread Keith Moore
If there were an I-D describing such a protocol, I'd be interested in reading it - is there one? Not yet. But it hardly seems like the time to write an I-D when there is at present considerable effort being invested to preclude such an I-D being considered by the group. Keith _

Re: Pre-picking one solution (Re: [ietf-dkim] Re: WG Review: Domain Keys Identified Mail) (dkim)

2005-12-22 Thread Stephen Farrell
Keith, Keith Moore wrote: I'm comfortable with having a domain's "root public keys" stored in DNS but allowing the corresponding "root private keys" to sign key certificates for "individual public keys" that can be included in DKIM-signed messages. The policies for use of those public keys c

Re: Pre-picking one solution (Re: [ietf-dkim] Re: WG Review: Domain Keys Identified Mail) (dkim)

2005-12-22 Thread Keith Moore
Related to how much the charter pre-supposes the solution, the sentence that "Public keys needed to validate the signatures will be stored in the responsible identity's DNS hierarchy." seems like a pretty heavy constraint on the possible solutions and one that some proposals disagreed with. I t

Pre-picking one solution (Re: [ietf-dkim] Re: WG Review: Domain Keys Identified Mail) (dkim)

2005-12-22 Thread Harald Tveit Alvestrand
Branching off from the interminable "justifiable changes" thread --On onsdag, desember 21, 2005 23:54:56 -0800 Cullen Jennings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Related to how much the charter pre-supposes the solution, the sentence that "Public keys needed to validate the signatures will be sto