Re: Proposed IETF 95 date change

> "John" == John William Atwood writes: John> It's not clear to me which is less desirable, starting on John> Easter day, or finishing on Good Friday. Both are important John> from the Christian perspective. However, for a significant John> part of the IETF membership, neith

RE: Proposed IETF 95 Date Change

+1 > -Original Message- > From: ietf-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:ietf-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of > Perala, Timo (NSN - FI/Espoo) > Sent: Friday, August 03, 2012 4:05 PM > To: IETF Discussion > Subject: RE: Proposed IETF 95 Date Change > > +1 > > T

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> I would personally prefer if the meeting was rescheduled for the week of > April 3 - 8. Strongly opposed. ...

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+1 Timo -Original Message- From: ietf-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:ietf-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of ext Philip Matthews Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2012 8:10 PM I would personally prefer if the meeting was rescheduled for the week of April 3 - 8. - Philip On 2012-08-02, at 9:45 , IETF Adm

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:48 AM Subject: Proposed IETF 95 Date Change Sent by: ietf-announce-boun...@ietf.org A reminder of the 6 August deadline for input. Thanks The IAOC is seeking community feedback on a proposed date change for IETF 95 scheduled for March 2016. Currently IETF 95 is scheduled for 27 March to 1 April

Proposed IETF 95 date change

It's not clear to me which is less desirable, starting on Easter day, or finishing on Good Friday. Both are important from the Christian perspective. However, for a significant part of the IETF membership, neither Easter nor Good Friday is important. My vote would be to leave it where it is.

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I would personally prefer if the meeting was rescheduled for the week of April 3 - 8. - Philip On 2012-08-02, at 9:45 , IETF Administrative Director wrote: > The IAOC is seeking community feedback on a proposed date change for IETF 95 > scheduled for March 2016. > > Currently IETF 95 is schedul

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- Original Message - From: "Andrew G. Malis" To: "IETF Administrative Director" Cc: "IETF Discussion" Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2012 10:42 PM Subject: Re: Proposed IETF 95 Date Change > On the > other hand, travel on 27 March should be relative

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Both the original and the proposed new dates are fine with me. Note that anyone planning on traveling on 26 March (the day before Easter) should probably make their reservations well ahead of time. On the other hand, travel on 27 March should be relatively easy. Cheers, Andy On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 a

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On Aug 2, 2012, at 9:45 AM, IETF Administrative Director wrote: > The IAOC is proposing IETF 95 be rescheduled for 20 - 25 March 2016 and would > like > feedback on those dates before making a decision. Support. --Olaf

Proposed IETF 95 Date Change

A reminder of the 6 August deadline for input. Thanks The IAOC is seeking community feedback on a proposed date change for IETF 95 scheduled for March 2016. Currently IETF 95 is scheduled for 27 March to 1 April 2016. 27 March is Easter. The IAOC is proposing IETF 95 be rescheduled for 20 - 25

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012 17:06 >> To: IETF Announcement List >> Cc: i...@ietf.org; i...@iab.org; ietf@ietf.org; wgcha...@ietf.org >> Subject: Proposed IETF 95 Date Change >> >> The IAOC is seeking community feedback on a proposed date change for >>IETF >> 95 >> schedul

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John Levine wrote: [ Charset UTF-8 unsupported, converting... ] > >> You're not going to find cool temperatures again in July or August > >> unless you go as far south as Argentina or New Zealand. > > > >Not only is there life north of the 60th parallel (N), there are > >even hotels and restaurants

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On Fri, 20 Jul 2012, Behcet Sarikaya wrote: I don't understand why this issue is coming up. Maybe you don't know, IETF 84 falls in the month of Ramadan for Muslims and nobody asked to change it? I think focusing on the religious roots of the holiday is misguided. The question is what effect t

RE: Proposed IETF 95 Date Change

Announcement List > Cc: i...@ietf.org; i...@iab.org; ietf@ietf.org; wgcha...@ietf.org > Subject: Proposed IETF 95 Date Change > > The IAOC is seeking community feedback on a proposed date change for IETF > 95 > scheduled for March 2016. > > Currently IETF 95 is scheduled for 27 March t

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boun...@ietf.org [mailto:wgchairs-boun...@ietf.org] On > Behalf Of IETF Administrative Director > Sent: 20 July 2012 17:06 > To: IETF Announcement List > Cc: i...@ietf.org; i...@iab.org; ietf@ietf.org; wgcha...@ietf.org > Subject: Proposed IETF 95 Date Change > > The IAOC is seeking

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On Jul 23, 2012, at 4:08 AM, Henk Uijterwaal wrote: > On 20/07/2012 18:06, IETF Administrative Director wrote: >> The IAOC is seeking community feedback on a proposed date change for IETF 95 >> scheduled for March 2016. >> >> Currently IETF 95 is scheduled for 27 March to 1 April 2016. 27 March

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On Jul 23, 2012, at 14:28, DRAGE, Keith (Keith) wrote: > you need to take into account at least both the Friday and Monday in some > countries. +1 In much of Europe, the Easter holidays run from Good Friday to Easter Monday, and exhibit -- strong travel activity -- zero to reduced opening time

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On Mon, 2012-07-23 at 10:08 +0200, Henk Uijterwaal wrote: > On 20/07/2012 18:06, IETF Administrative Director wrote: > > The IAOC is seeking community feedback on a proposed date change for IETF 95 > > scheduled for March 2016. > > > > Currently IETF 95 is scheduled for 27 March to 1 April 2016.

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On 20/07/2012 18:06, IETF Administrative Director wrote: > The IAOC is seeking community feedback on a proposed date change for IETF 95 > scheduled for March 2016. > > Currently IETF 95 is scheduled for 27 March to 1 April 2016. 27 March is > Easter. > > The IAOC is proposing IETF 95 be resched

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On Jul 20, 2012, at 18:36 , Joel jaeggli wrote: > On 7/20/12 09:06 , IETF Administrative Director wrote: >> The IAOC is seeking community feedback on a proposed date change for IETF 95 >> scheduled for March 2016. >> >> Currently IETF 95 is scheduled for 27 March to 1 April 2016. 27 March is >

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On 7/22/12 11:25 AM, John Levine wrote: I believe it, but remember that the issue was to minimize daylight fasting during the North American summer. Moderate temperatures were thrown into the mix, which I guess provides a pretty good illustration of the challenges of making everybody happy. Fra

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>> You're not going to find cool temperatures again in July or August >> unless you go as far south as Argentina or New Zealand. > >Not only is there life north of the 60th parallel (N), there are >even hotels and restaurants and airports. Anchorage is probably >large enough for an IETF meeting, a

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On Jul 22, 2012, at 9:56 AM, Melinda Shore wrote: > I'd be a lot more comfortable with people describing/speaking up > for their own religious requirements. That's no fun. We're much more loquacious when we're talking about other peoples religions, other people's laws, other people's gender issu

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I think you should look into the possibility. January maybe, or February, give our attendees some sense of what "cold and dark" really means :-) Much more productive when you can't leave the building... Ole Ole J. Jacobsen Editor and Publisher, The Internet Protocol Journal Cisco Systems Tel:

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On 7/22/12 8:04 AM, John Levine wrote: You're not going to find cool temperatures again in July or August unless you go as far south as Argentina or New Zealand. Not only is there life north of the 60th parallel (N), there are even hotels and restaurants and airports. Anchorage is probably lar

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On 7/22/12 6:10 AM, Victor Kuarsingh wrote: It is my understanding that for these types of reasons (and others), folks who are adhering to Ramadan can eat while traveling and if they are sick. I'd be a lot more comfortable with people describing/speaking up for their own religious requirements.

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> That said, moving the meeting further south would > have helped as well vs. How far north Vancouver is. Summer daytime temperatures in Vancouver are typically 20c or lower, while in the southern US they're usually over 30c. I'm not sure that would be an improvement. You're not going to find co

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It is my understanding that for these types of reasons (and others), folks who are adhering to Ramadan can eat while traveling and if they are sick. And agreed to previous point that the southern hemisphere may have been less impacting in this particular case (given overlap during IETF in northe

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On Jul 22, 2012, at 4:42 AM, Ofer Inbar wrote: > Glen Zorn wrote: >> On Sat, 2012-07-21 at 13:25 -0700, Martin Thomson wrote: >> >>> On 21 July 2012 06:55, Yoav Nir wrote: This year Ramadan started yesterday, and ends on August 19. Moving the meeting one week in either direction wou

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> By cutting the sunrise-to-sunset fasting period of the day to a much shorter > period. Actually, the first day of this IETF (and the last of IETF54) were very interesting for those fasting on the 9th of Av fast day and having to travel westwards. Flying west during the fast increases its du

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>I see. Well, look on the bright side: the meeting could have been in >Reykjavik ;-). Yes, that would have been bright, wouldn't it? R's, John PS: sure like those hot dogs, though.

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On Sat, 2012-07-21 at 21:42 -0400, Ofer Inbar wrote: > Glen Zorn wrote: > > On Sat, 2012-07-21 at 13:25 -0700, Martin Thomson wrote: > > > > > On 21 July 2012 06:55, Yoav Nir wrote: > > > > This year Ramadan started yesterday, and ends on August 19. Moving the > > > > meeting one week in eithe

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Glen Zorn wrote: > On Sat, 2012-07-21 at 13:25 -0700, Martin Thomson wrote: > > > On 21 July 2012 06:55, Yoav Nir wrote: > > > This year Ramadan started yesterday, and ends on August 19. Moving the > > > meeting one week in either direction would not have helped. > > > > But moving it to the s

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On Sat, 2012-07-21 at 13:25 -0700, Martin Thomson wrote: > On 21 July 2012 06:55, Yoav Nir wrote: > > This year Ramadan started yesterday, and ends on August 19. Moving the > > meeting one week in either direction would not have helped. > > But moving it to the southern hemisphere would have.

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> From: James Polk > outstanding - now we can't meet that whole year... ;-) Particularly since in _my_ religion, our religious days consist of the set of days which _aren't_ religious holidays in any other religion... :-) Noel

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On 21 July 2012 06:55, Yoav Nir wrote: > This year Ramadan started yesterday, and ends on August 19. Moving the > meeting one week in either direction would not have helped. But moving it to the southern hemisphere would have.

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You can just plan one at anytime but in the early morning. This would help and will come before the tiring part is taking place. Best Regards Muhammad Badi On Jul 21, 2012, at 4:55 PM, Yoav Nir wrote: > > On Jul 21, 2012, at 10:00 AM, Eliot Lear wrote: > >> I'd support a date change for IETF

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On Jul 21, 2012, at 10:00 AM, Eliot Lear wrote: > I'd support a date change for IETF 95 but it should be the week of the > 14th to take into account Palm Sunday and Good Friday. As to Ramadan, I > too would like to understand if there is a need to take this holiday > into account, and what would

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> As for the Ramadan issue you deserve to deal with surly folk such as i when we have not eaten for twelve hours. randy

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On Sat, 2012-07-21 at 01:30 +, Fred Baker (fred) wrote: > On Jul 20, 2012, at 6:08 PM, Paul Hoffman wrote: > > > As for the Ramadan issue: we've had IETF meetings during Jewish holidays a > > few times, and folks dealt with it as best they can. If there are some > > accommodations that can

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On 21/07/2012 02:30, Fred Baker (fred) wrote: > On Jul 20, 2012, at 6:08 PM, Paul Hoffman wrote: > >> As for the Ramadan issue: we've had IETF meetings during Jewish holidays a >> few times, and folks dealt with it as best they can. If there are some >> accommodations that can be made at any IET

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I'd support a date change for IETF 95 but it should be the week of the 14th to take into account Palm Sunday and Good Friday. As to Ramadan, I too would like to understand if there is a need to take this holiday into account, and what would be the practical way to do that?

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On Jul 20, 2012, at 6:08 PM, Paul Hoffman wrote: > As for the Ramadan issue: we've had IETF meetings during Jewish holidays a > few times, and folks dealt with it as best they can. If there are some > accommodations that can be made at any IETF meeting for different holidays of > major religio

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On Jul 20, 2012, at 9:06 AM, IETF Administrative Director wrote: > The IAOC is proposing IETF 95 be rescheduled for 20 - 25 March 2016 and would > like > feedback on those dates before making a decision. Comments appreciated to > ietf@ietf.org > by 6 August 2012. As much as I would love to

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On 7/20/12 12:42 , Mary Barnes wrote: > Also, the range of > dates for Spring Break is extremely broad in my experience. More than 6 months inclusive of the southern hemisphere.

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n > > > -Original Message- > From: ietf-announce-boun...@ietf.org [mailto: > ietf-announce-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of IETF Administrative Director > Sent: Friday, July 20, 2012 12:06 PM > To: IETF Announcement List > Cc: i...@ietf.org; i...@iab.org; ietf@ietf.o

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On Jul 20, 2012, at 11:37 AM, Behcet Sarikaya wrote: > I don't understand why this issue is coming up. > Maybe you don't know, IETF 84 falls in the month of Ramadan for > Muslims and nobody asked to change it? Two comments, a question, and a suggestion. One, the muslims in the crowd had the op

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At 12:29 PM 7/20/2012, Fred Baker (fred) wrote: On Jul 20, 2012, at 9:36 AM, Joel jaeggli wrote: > On 7/20/12 09:06 , IETF Administrative Director wrote: >> The IAOC is seeking community feedback on a proposed date change for IETF 95 >> scheduled for March 2016. >> >> Currently IETF 95 is sch

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At 12:58 PM 7/20/2012, Richard L. Barnes wrote: For convenience, the complete list: outstanding - now we can't meet that whole year... ;-) On Jul 20, 2012, at 1:44 PM, Andrew G. Malis wrote: > As long as you don't go any later than the week of A

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...@iab.org; ietf@ietf.org; wgcha...@ietf.org; i...@ietf.org Subject: Proposed IETF 95 Date Change The IAOC is seeking community feedback on a proposed date change for IETF 95 scheduled for March 2016. Currently IETF 95 is scheduled for 27 March to 1 April 2016. 27 March is Easter. The IAOC is

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...@ietf.org; i...@iab.org; ietf@ietf.org; wgcha...@ietf.org Subject: Proposed IETF 95 Date Change The IAOC is seeking community feedback on a proposed date change for IETF 95 scheduled for March 2016. Currently IETF 95 is scheduled for 27 March to 1 April 2016. 27 March is Easter. The IAOC is proposing

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ietf@ietf.org; wgcha...@ietf.org; i...@ietf.org Subject: Proposed IETF 95 Date Change The IAOC is seeking community feedback on a proposed date change for IETF 95 scheduled for March 2016. Currently IETF 95 is scheduled for 27 March to 1 April 2016. 27 March is Easter. The IAOC is proposing

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I don't understand why this issue is coming up. Maybe you don't know, IETF 84 falls in the month of Ramadan for Muslims and nobody asked to change it? My 2 cents. Behcet On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 11:06 AM, IETF Administrative Director wrote: > The IAOC is seeking community feedback on a proposed

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For convenience, the complete list: On Jul 20, 2012, at 1:44 PM, Andrew G. Malis wrote: > As long as you don't go any later than the week of April 10 - the week > of April 17 runs into the start of Passover. > > Thanks, > Andy > > On Fri, Jul 20, 20

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As long as you don't go any later than the week of April 10 - the week of April 17 runs into the start of Passover. Thanks, Andy On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 1:29 PM, Fred Baker (fred) wrote: > > On Jul 20, 2012, at 9:36 AM, Joel jaeggli wrote: > >> On 7/20/12 09:06 , IETF Administrative Director wro

Re: Proposed IETF 95 Date Change

On Jul 20, 2012, at 9:06 AM, IETF Administrative Director wrote: > The IAOC is seeking community feedback on a proposed date change for IETF 95 > scheduled for March 2016. > > Currently IETF 95 is scheduled for 27 March to 1 April 2016. 27 March is > Easter. > > The IAOC is proposing IETF 95

Re: Proposed IETF 95 Date Change

On Jul 20, 2012, at 9:36 AM, Joel jaeggli wrote: > On 7/20/12 09:06 , IETF Administrative Director wrote: >> The IAOC is seeking community feedback on a proposed date change for IETF 95 >> scheduled for March 2016. >> >> Currently IETF 95 is scheduled for 27 March to 1 April 2016. 27 March is

Re: Proposed IETF 95 Date Change

On 7/20/12 09:06 , IETF Administrative Director wrote: > The IAOC is seeking community feedback on a proposed date change for IETF 95 > scheduled for March 2016. > > Currently IETF 95 is scheduled for 27 March to 1 April 2016. 27 March is > Easter. > > The IAOC is proposing IETF 95 be reschedul

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What a perspective refresher - March 2016! My projects end 2013. Those which have not yet started end 2015. 2015 is the deadline for fire detectors being mandatory in EU. 2018 - maybe a new metro line near where I live, but not known underground or above. 2016 new presidential elections her

Proposed IETF 95 Date Change

The IAOC is seeking community feedback on a proposed date change for IETF 95 scheduled for March 2016. Currently IETF 95 is scheduled for 27 March to 1 April 2016. 27 March is Easter. The IAOC is proposing IETF 95 be rescheduled for 20 - 25 March 2016 and would like feedback on those dates be