Re: [dhcwg] Re: DHCID and the use of MD5 [Re: Last Call: 'Resolution ofFQDN Conflicts among DHCP Clients' to Proposed Standard]

2005-11-29 Thread Ted Lemon
The Nominum DHCP server (DCS) supports the exact mechanism described in the collection of documents, except that the data is stored in a TXT record rather than a DHCID record, because we are waiting on the DHCID record. We also implement the older version of the protocol that the ISC server s

Re: [dhcwg] Re: DHCID and the use of MD5 [Re: Last Call: 'Resolution ofFQDN Conflicts among DHCP Clients' to Proposed Standard]

2005-11-29 Thread Ted Lemon
On Monday 28 November 2005 23:40, Harald Tveit Alvestrand wrote: > This means that we will not have a backwards compatibility issue with the > installed base if we change the format of the record, but *will* have a > procedural compatibility issue if we don't keep the property of "you can > know th

Re: [dhcwg] Re: DHCID and the use of MD5 [Re: Last Call: 'Resolution ofFQDN Conflicts among DHCP Clients' to Proposed Standard]

2005-11-29 Thread David W. Hankins
On Mon, Nov 28, 2005 at 05:20:09PM -0500, Bernie Volz (volz) wrote: > Yes, I can. > > The ISC's DHCP server (www.isc.org) does this (I'm not sure whether it > uses MD5 to encode the client identity or not). Ted might know for sure. It does, though it only encodes the client identity (client ident

Re: [dhcwg] Re: DHCID and the use of MD5 [Re: Last Call: 'Resolution ofFQDN Conflicts among DHCP Clients' to Proposed Standard]

2005-11-28 Thread Harald Tveit Alvestrand
--On tirsdag, november 29, 2005 00:03:03 -0700 Ted Lemon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Monday 28 November 2005 23:40, Harald Tveit Alvestrand wrote: This means that we will not have a backwards compatibility issue with the installed base if we change the format of the record, but *will* hav

RE: [dhcwg] Re: DHCID and the use of MD5 [Re: Last Call: 'Resolution ofFQDN Conflicts among DHCP Clients' to Proposed Standard]

2005-11-28 Thread Harald Tveit Alvestrand
Thanks - these responses point out very clearly that the mechanism is being used as described, *except* for the bit that's contentious (use of MD5 for information hiding). This means that we will not have a backwards compatibility issue with the installed base if we change the format of the re

RE: [dhcwg] Re: DHCID and the use of MD5 [Re: Last Call: 'Resolution ofFQDN Conflicts among DHCP Clients' to Proposed Standard]

2005-11-28 Thread Bernie Volz \(volz\)
BTW: Just to be clear, the MD5 hash is calculated using both the client identifier AND the domain name. But the domain name is known (it is the entry under which the DHCID RR lives). However, this means that the DHCID data for a client changes with its name. The RDATA for all type codes other

RE: [dhcwg] Re: DHCID and the use of MD5 [Re: Last Call: 'Resolution ofFQDN Conflicts among DHCP Clients' to Proposed Standard]

2005-11-28 Thread Bernie Volz \(volz\)
] > Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 5:14 PM > To: Bernie Volz (volz); Steven M. Bellovin; Ted Lemon > Cc: dhcwg@ietf.org; Pekka Savola; ietf@ietf.org; > namedroppers@ops.ietf.org > Subject: RE: [dhcwg] Re: DHCID and the use of MD5 [Re: Last > Call: 'Resolution ofFQDN Conflic

RE: [dhcwg] Re: DHCID and the use of MD5 [Re: Last Call: 'Resolution ofFQDN Conflicts among DHCP Clients' to Proposed Standard]

2005-11-28 Thread Harald Tveit Alvestrand
--On mandag, november 28, 2005 17:00:39 -0500 "Bernie Volz (volz)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I confess that I don't see the problem. The updater would do a DNS query for DHCID RRs; it would be given all of the stored records. That's not how the current update algorithm works. Sure, we co

RE: [dhcwg] Re: DHCID and the use of MD5 [Re: Last Call: 'Resolution ofFQDN Conflicts among DHCP Clients' to Proposed Standard]

2005-11-28 Thread Bernie Volz \(volz\)
BTW, whatever algorithm you use (SHA-256 or even something much more complex) is not going to help -- it may make the work someone has to do a bit more involved, but it really doesn't make it impossible. 1. You always have a brute force attack. As you indicate, calculating the hash based on the ma

RE: [dhcwg] Re: DHCID and the use of MD5 [Re: Last Call: 'Resolution ofFQDN Conflicts among DHCP Clients' to Proposed Standard]

2005-11-28 Thread Bernie Volz \(volz\)
> I confess that I don't see the problem. The updater would do a DNS > query for DHCID RRs; it would be given all of the stored > records. That's not how the current update algorithm works. Sure, we could do almost anything but we'll be debating this for the next 100 years. It has already gone