RE: Appeal: Publication of draft-lyon-senderid-core-01 inconflictwith referenced draft-schlitt-spf-classic-02

2005-08-29 Thread Douglas Otis
On Sat, 2005-08-27 at 12:00 -0700, william(at)elan.net wrote: But if reuse of spf1 records is really realy the only way for MS and it wants to continue, then the only possibility for negotiation I see is to get it part the way for both sides. This would involve: 1. MS agrees to change its

RE: Appeal: Publication of draft-lyon-senderid-core-01 inconflictwith referenced draft-schlitt-spf-classic-02

2005-08-27 Thread william(at)elan.net
On Fri, 26 Aug 2005, John Glube wrote: |The only relevant boundary is between what the sender |controls and what they do not. All that any sender, |forwarder or any other mail injector can ever be expected |to do is to define the boundaries of the systems they |control. | |Once that boundary

RE: Appeal: Publication of draft-lyon-senderid-core-01 inconflictwith referenced draft-schlitt-spf-classic-02

2005-08-27 Thread Nicholas Staff
Two will leave but only one shall return...I'm by no means suggesting that's a desirable approach to decision making but we've managed to get ourselves into a place where I think it's now the best way out. Fortunately since this incompatibility will result in email that should have been received

RE: Appeal: Publication of draft-lyon-senderid-core-01 inconflictwith referenced draft-schlitt-spf-classic-02

2005-08-27 Thread william(at)elan.net
On Sat, 27 Aug 2005, Douglas Otis wrote: On Sat, 2005-08-27 at 12:00 -0700, william(at)elan.net wrote: But if reuse of spf1 records is really realy the only way for MS and it wants to continue, then the only possibility for negotiation I see is to get it part the way for both sides. This

RE: Appeal: Publication of draft-lyon-senderid-core-01 inconflictwith referenced draft-schlitt-spf-classic-02

2005-08-26 Thread Hallam-Baker, Phillip
Behalf Of wayne The way to do this is to introduce a pointer record using CNAME as follows: _prefix.exists.example.comTXT Policy1 *.example.com CNAME _wildcard.example.com _prefix._wildcard.example.com TXT Policy2 I don't believe this

RE: Appeal: Publication of draft-lyon-senderid-core-01 inconflictwith referenced draft-schlitt-spf-classic-02

2005-08-26 Thread Hallam-Baker, Phillip
Behalf Of wayne At some point there is a boundary between infrastructure the sender has control of and where he does not. That boundary is very clearly defined in my universe but even if it was ambiguous it would still exist. The problem is that for different identities, this

Re: Appeal: Publication of draft-lyon-senderid-core-01 inconflictwith referenced draft-schlitt-spf-classic-02

2005-08-26 Thread Frank Ellermann
Hallam-Baker, Phillip wrote: Once that boundary is defined the definition is fair game for any party to use to interpret it to meet their operational needs. The boundaries are different and incompatible for spf2.0/mfrom (roughly te same as v=spf1) and spf2.0/pra. That's the point of the