Re: Gen-ART Review of draft-ietf-forces-mib-07

2008-09-02 Thread Bob Braden
> > > >Summary: This document is very close to ready for publication as a Proposed >Standard. I have two technical comments below, but both are minor issues >that could resolved in AUTH48 if you think they have merit. An aside: The purpose of AUTH48 state is not (should not be) to resolve even m

Re: Gen-ART Review of draft-ietf-forces-mib-07

2008-09-02 Thread Paul Hoffman
At 9:16 AM -0700 9/2/08, Bob Braden wrote: >An aside: The purpose of AUTH48 state is not (should not be) to resolve >even minor issues. Ideally, no issues should arise in AUTH48, but the >world is not a perfect place. But let's not get in the habit of sweeping >minor changes to the every end of t

Re: Gen-ART Review of draft-ietf-forces-mib-07

2008-09-02 Thread Spencer Dawkins
OK... >>Summary: This document is very close to ready for publication as a >>Proposed >>Standard. I have two technical comments below, but both are minor issues >>that could resolved in AUTH48 if you think they have merit. > > An aside: The purpose of AUTH48 state is not (should not be) to resolv

Re: Gen-ART Review of draft-ietf-forces-mib-07

2008-09-02 Thread John C Klensin
--On Tuesday, 02 September, 2008 14:28 -0500 Spencer Dawkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > OK... > >>> Summary: This document is very close to ready for >>> publication as a Proposed >>> Standard. I have two technical comments below, but both are >>> minor issues that could resolved in AUTH48 i

Re: Gen-ART Review of draft-ietf-forces-mib-07

2008-09-02 Thread Steven M. Bellovin
On Tue, 02 Sep 2008 16:48:43 -0400 John C Klensin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It occurs to me that people may have been saying "could be > resolved in AUTH48" when they really meant "could be resolved in > an RFC Editor note". While, like Paul, I tend to prefer that > the RFC Editor get clean c

Re: Gen-ART Review of draft-ietf-forces-mib-07

2008-09-02 Thread Spencer Dawkins
To John and Steve, >> It occurs to me that people may have been saying "could be >> resolved in AUTH48" when they really meant "could be resolved in >> an RFC Editor note". I would not be a bit surprised if I meant that ;-) > Personally, I don't even like RFC Editor notes for things that can and

Re: Gen-ART Review of draft-ietf-forces-mib-07

2008-09-02 Thread Julian Reschke
Steven M. Bellovin wrote: > ... > Personally, I don't even like RFC Editor notes for things that can and > should be corrected by the author. As both an author and an AD, I much > preferred clean new copies. > ... Absolutely. The more edits need to be done in AUTH48, the more likely it is that

Re: Gen-ART Review of draft-ietf-forces-mib-07

2008-09-02 Thread John C Klensin
--On Tuesday, 02 September, 2008 16:08 -0500 Spencer Dawkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > To John and Steve, > >>> It occurs to me that people may have been saying "could be >>> resolved in AUTH48" when they really meant "could be >>> resolved in an RFC Editor note". > > I would not be a bit s

Re: Gen-ART Review of draft-ietf-forces-mib-07

2008-09-03 Thread Olaf Kolkman
Essentially, this note is another me too. On Sep 2, 2008, at 11:56 PM, John C Klensin wrote: (iv) If that note is acceptable to the authors/ editors/ WG/ etc., generation of a document that incorporates the changes. That version is, or is not, posted at the dis

RE: Gen-ART Review of draft-ietf-forces-mib-07

2008-09-03 Thread Pasi.Eronen
Olaf Kolkman rote: > Personally I would like to see that whatever document enters into > the RFC-Production function (to use the terminology from the RFC > Editor model[*]) has a clean copy in the repository. That allows for > a very clean interface between the streams and the RFC-producer. So, >

RE: Gen-ART Review of draft-ietf-forces-mib-07

2008-09-03 Thread Romascanu, Dan (Dan)
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 3:03 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Cc: ietf@ietf.org > Subject: RE: Gen-ART Review of draft-ietf-forces-mib-07 &

Re: Gen-ART Review of draft-ietf-forces-mib-07

2008-09-03 Thread Julian Reschke
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Olaf Kolkman rote: > >> Personally I would like to see that whatever document enters into >> the RFC-Production function (to use the terminology from the RFC >> Editor model[*]) has a clean copy in the repository. That allows for >> a very clean interface between the str

Re: Gen-ART Review of draft-ietf-forces-mib-07

2008-09-03 Thread Paul Hoffman
At 2:09 PM +0200 9/3/08, Julian Reschke wrote: >I'm tempted to say that if it takes the authors months to update the >document with the suggested change, then, well, a publication delay of >several months is what they deserve :-). +1 Given that the great majority of documents in the "authors are

Re: Gen-ART Review of draft-ietf-forces-mib-07

2008-09-03 Thread Spencer Dawkins
Hi, Robert, Thanks for the quick response on all the comments - to be explicit, version 8 addresses all my comments, except for one question (below). It actually could be OK to retain the OtherMsg name and definition, if there is a reason to do so (one reason might be "deployed systems use this

Re: Gen-ART Review of draft-ietf-forces-mib-07

2008-09-03 Thread Dave CROCKER
Julian Reschke wrote: > I'm tempted to say that if it takes the authors months to update the > document with the suggested change, then, well, a publication delay of > several months is what they deserve :-). The only problem with this comment is that some readers might think the smiley mean

Re: Gen-ART Review of draft-ietf-forces-mib-07

2008-09-03 Thread Julian Reschke
Dave CROCKER wrote: > > > Julian Reschke wrote: >> I'm tempted to say that if it takes the authors months to update the >> document with the suggested change, then, well, a publication delay of >> several months is what they deserve :-). > > > The only problem with this comment is that some r

Re: Gen-ART Review of draft-ietf-forces-mib-07

2008-09-03 Thread Robert Haas
Spencer, thanks for the comments. See below for the details. I reissued a draft with the editorial changes: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-forces-mib-08.txt Regards, -Robert "Spencer Dawkins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 09/01/2008 04:07:03 PM: > > Gen-ART Review of draft-ietf

Re: Gen-ART Review of draft-ietf-forces-mib-07

2008-09-09 Thread Spencer Dawkins
r 09, 2008 8:47 AM Subject: Re: Gen-ART Review of draft-ietf-forces-mib-07 Hi Spencer, I released a new version of the draft to change to ZeroBasedCounters and took the opportunity to rename the counters as you suggested. Now they are called *Oper* instead of *Other*: http://www.ietf.org/inter

Re: Gen-ART Review of draft-ietf-forces-mib-07

2008-09-09 Thread Robert Haas
wkins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 09/03/2008 05:02:54 PM: > [image removed] > > Re: Gen-ART Review of draft-ietf-forces-mib-07 > > Spencer Dawkins > > to: > > Robert Haas > > 09/03/2008 05:06 PM > > Cc: > > "Patrick Droz"