Re: ISP support models Re: IPv6 NAT?

2008-02-19 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On 19 feb 2008, at 15:40, Dan York wrote: Is this important? The external address(es) are still different. Sure, but the home internal networks are identical. So Homeowner A calls up the ISP support and is having a problem getting a machine to work with the wireless router provided by

RE: ISP support models Re: IPv6 NAT?

2008-02-19 Thread michael.dillon
I'm not buying that this is so important that it's worth having a box rewrite EVERY address in EVERY packet for. If you really want this, you can simply create a loopback interface with address fc00::1 on it and users can type http://[fc00::1]/; (ok, so the brackets are annoying, but no

Re: ISP support models Re: IPv6 NAT?

2008-02-19 Thread Spencer Dawkins
Hi, Iljitsch, I'm confused... From: Iljitsch van Beijnum [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 19 feb 2008, at 15:40, Dan York wrote: Is this important? The external address(es) are still different. Sure, but the home internal networks are identical. So Homeowner A calls up the ISP support and is having

Re: ISP support models Re: IPv6 NAT?

2008-02-19 Thread John C Klensin
--On Tuesday, 19 February, 2008 16:05 +0100 Iljitsch van Beijnum [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 19 feb 2008, at 15:40, Dan York wrote: Is this important? The external address(es) are still different. Sure, but the home internal networks are identical. So Homeowner A calls up the ISP

Re: ISP support models Re: IPv6 NAT?

2008-02-19 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On 19 feb 2008, at 16:25, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If nobody writes all of this up into a set of guidelines for implementors of SOHO IPv6 gateways, including some more details on a proper service discovery mechanism, then it isn't going to happen. Well, I was working in

Re: ISP support models Re: IPv6 NAT?

2008-02-19 Thread Dan York
On Feb 19, 2008, at 11:50 AM, Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote: However, in much of the world, profit margins for ISPs in the residential and SOHO business are sufficiently thin that a single support call can wipe out a few month's of profits from that account and one that actually requires getting

Re: ISP support models Re: IPv6 NAT?

2008-02-19 Thread Brian E Carpenter
On 2008-02-20 04:05, Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote: On 19 feb 2008, at 15:40, Dan York wrote: Is this important? The external address(es) are still different. Sure, but the home internal networks are identical. So Homeowner A calls up the ISP support and is having a problem getting a

Re: ISP support models Re: IPv6 NAT?

2008-02-19 Thread Spencer Dawkins
Hi, Iljitsch, From: Iljitsch van Beijnum [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 19 feb 2008, at 16:30, Spencer Dawkins wrote: If you really want this, you can simply create a loopback interface with address fc00::1 on it and users can type http:// [fc00::1]/ (ok, so the brackets are annoying, but no NAT