Re: Issue: #748: Section 5.4 - Quarterly deposits inappropriate

2004-12-21 Thread Scott Bradner
Bert asks: > So how about this possible text: > > 5.4 Other ISOC Support > >Other ISOC support shall be based on the budget process as specified >in Section 6. ISOC will periodically credit additional funds to the >IASA accounts to cover anticipated expenditures for that period >

RE: Issue: #748: Section 5.4 - Quarterly deposits inappropriate

2004-12-21 Thread Wijnen, Bert (Bert)
> Bert asks: > > > So how about this possible text: > > > > 5.4 Other ISOC Support > > > >Other ISOC support shall be based on the budget process as specified > >in Section 6. ISOC will periodically credit additional funds to the > >IASA accounts to cover anticipated expenditures

RE: Issue: #748: Section 5.4 - Quarterly deposits inappropriate

2004-12-21 Thread Scott Bradner
> So... why is it an issue when I suggest it? nothing special for you Bert :-) > But does your text not boil down to the same process? it might or it might mean that a big pool of money is maintained whatever - the bottom line is that the IASA needes to be able to count on money being available

Re: Issue: #748: Section 5.4 - Quarterly deposits inappropriate

2004-12-21 Thread Ted Hardie
At 10:14 PM +0100 12/21/04, Wijnen, Bert (Bert) wrote: So how about this possible text: 5.4 Other ISOC Support Other ISOC support shall be based on the budget process as specified in Section 6. ISOC will periodically credit additional funds to the IASA accounts to cover anticipated exp

RE: Issue: #748: Section 5.4 - Quarterly deposits inappropriate

2004-12-21 Thread Wijnen, Bert (Bert)
> > > So... why is it an issue when I suggest it? > > nothing special for you Bert :-) > Thanks... I did not think so either, but it looked like it. > > But does your text not boil down to the same process? > > it might or it might mean that a big pool of money is maintained > whatever - the b

RE: Issue: #748: Section 5.4 - Quarterly deposits inappropriate

2004-12-21 Thread Ted Hardie
At 4:58 PM -0500 12/21/04, Scott Bradner wrote: > So... why is it an issue when I suggest it? nothing special for you Bert :-) But does your text not boil down to the same process? it might or it might mean that a big pool of money is maintained whatever - the bottom line is that the IASA needes

Re: Issue: #748: Section 5.4 - Quarterly deposits inappropriate

2004-12-22 Thread Brian E Carpenter
Ted Hardie wrote: At 4:58 PM -0500 12/21/04, Scott Bradner wrote: > So... why is it an issue when I suggest it? nothing special for you Bert :-) But does your text not boil down to the same process? it might or it might mean that a big pool of money is maintained whatever - the bottom line is th

RE: Issue: #748: Section 5.4 - Quarterly deposits inappropriate

2004-12-22 Thread Margaret Wasserman
Hi Bert, At 11:13 PM +0100 12/21/04, Wijnen, Bert (Bert) wrote: May be I need to explain my (personal) thinking. This is good, because your personal thinking does not match my personal thinking and perhaps that is why we have been having trouble coming to wording that seems right to both of us.

RE: Issue: #748: Section 5.4 - Quarterly deposits inappropriate

2004-12-22 Thread Wijnen, Bert (Bert)
Wednesday, December 22, 2004 14:52 > To: Wijnen, Bert (Bert); [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Cc: ietf@ietf.org > Subject: RE: Issue: #748: Section 5.4 - Quarterly deposits > inappropriate > > > > Hi Bert, > > At 11:13 PM +0100 12/21/

RE: Issue: #748: Section 5.4 - Quarterly deposits inappropriate

2004-12-22 Thread Joel M. Halpern
I think that there is a different side of this. Suppose that a budget was worked out (as below), with a plan for a certain expected coverage from ISOC general funds, meeting fees, and directed donations. Lets presume the budget includes the plan for building the reserves. If meeting fees run high

Re: Issue: #748: Section 5.4 - Quarterly deposits inappropriate

2004-12-22 Thread Brian E Carpenter
Joel, Joel M. Halpern wrote: I think that there is a different side of this. Suppose that a budget was worked out (as below), with a plan for a certain expected coverage from ISOC general funds, meeting fees, and directed donations. Lets presume the budget includes the plan for building the reser

Re: Issue: #748: Section 5.4 - Quarterly deposits inappropriate

2004-12-22 Thread Joel M. Halpern
The concern (and I think it is minor but not insignificant) is not with incompatibility. It is that as currently written, in the case of more IETF earmarked donation than expected, it is equally consistent with the text that either 1) ISOC maintains their level of general contribution to IETF act

Re: Issue: #748: Section 5.4 - Quarterly deposits inappropriate

2004-12-23 Thread Brian E Carpenter
Joel, Money has this tricky property of being fungible, which is what allows governments, funding agencies, and even corporate finance people, to play such games. But on the other hand, what do you expect ISOC to do in a year when, for whatever reason, its general income is significantly down and d

RE: Issue: #748: Section 5.4 - Quarterly deposits inappropriate

2004-12-23 Thread Wijnen, Bert (Bert)
So I have made (for now) this change. OLD: 5.4 Other ISOC Support Other ISOC support shall be based on the budget process as specified in Section 6. ISOC shall credit the appropriate IASA accounts at least quarterly. NEW: 5.4 Other ISOC Support Other ISOC support s