At 04:48 PM 3/26/2001 -0500, Hagop Karaoghlanian wrote:
>Hi there, I agree with Margaret on this topic, and being about 2 weeks old
>with the organization, for the record I haven't jumped into a discussion
>until now. It is a little overwhelming to say the least to jump into an
>"open" discussion
s,
Graham
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At 9:07 AM +0100 3/26/01, Jon Crowcroft wrote:
>i think the value of the IETF is its informality - the implied litigious
>american attitude about "open" = "everyone MUST attend" etc would
>break the IETF even more than pure size.
This is essentially what we mean when we say, "We believe in rough
actually, the problem i have with the message was that there is an
assumption about an attitude - i mean al i meant was i wanted to get
good engineering work done in the normal way all effective work gets done
given it wasnt actually a WG it couldnt actualy make any decisions,
but it mioght get s
tting the hang of it
now, whatever that means.
Hagop
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From: Margaret Wasserman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2001 8:46 PM
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Sorry that I wasn't more specific. I wa
Sorry that I wasn't more specific. I wasn't objecting to
the idea of work being done in a bar...
I think that we need to be careful about the assumption
that everyone we haven't seen before, or that doesn't
speak at a meeting, is a "tourist". If we want to have
an open organization, we shoul
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Ll
oyd Wood writes:
>On Fri, 23 Mar 2001, Steven M. Bellovin wrote:
>
>> We're getting far afield, but "tourist" refers to someone who attends
>> and possibly tries to participate in working groups without having done
>> their homework. I've lost track of how man
At 08:31 AM 3/23/2001, Lloyd Wood wrote:
>On Fri, 23 Mar 2001, Steven M. Bellovin wrote:
> > We're getting far afield, but "tourist" refers to someone who attends
> > and possibly tries to participate in working groups without having done
> > their homework. I've lost track of how many times this
Jon Crowcroft writes:
> also,the wireless access fro mthe pub was inspired! we got really
> serious bar bof work done [...]
I wouldn't call it inspired, though it is greatly appreciated.
Wireless access from the hotel bar (and sometimes from bars down the
street!) has been a feature of IETF for y
Design teams and editorial teams are part of our process,
and they may as well meet in the pub as anywhere. As long
as their results are put in front of the WG, I don't see
a problem here.
Brian
Margaret Wasserman wrote:
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> Not to pick on Jon specifically, but how is this common IETF
> atti
well adding another enue to the IETF seems to me to be more open
also note the _process_ is to do with WG last call etc - we were'd`nt
doing anymore than talking about bugs in i-ds that we wrote (and all
authoprs were present) - this is what bar bofs are usually for - i
dont see that this is any
In message <4.2.2.20010323090914.01abfd30@localhost>, Margaret Wasserman writes
:
>
>Not to pick on Jon specifically, but how is this common IETF
>attitude consistent with the IETF's stated commitment to
>open process?
>
>At 06:52 AM 3/23/01 , Jon Crowcroft wrote:
>
>>also,the wireless access fro
Not to pick on Jon specifically, but how is this common IETF
attitude consistent with the IETF's stated commitment to
open process?
At 06:52 AM 3/23/01 , Jon Crowcroft wrote:
>also,the wireless access fro mthe pub was inspired! we got really
>serious bar bof work done without tourists kibbitzi
also,the wireless access fro mthe pub was inspired! we got really
serious bar bof work done without tourists kibbitzing
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, RJ Atkinson typed:
>>At 12:52 22/03/01, William Allen Simpson wrote:
>>>This is a rare case where I disagree with Phil. This is a good
>>>
The economy was probably at least as big a deterrent as the weather.
That's one deterrent I wold rather not have as a permanent feature :-)
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