Re: Legal review results 1: Intellectual property (fwd)

2005-01-27 Thread Dean Anderson
This didn't seem to make it -- Forwarded message -- Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 15:51:43 -0500 (EST) From: Dean Anderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Contreras, Jorge" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: ietf@ietf.org, Harald Tveit Alvestrand <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Su

Re: Legal review results 1: Intellectual property (fwd)

2005-01-26 Thread Harald Tveit Alvestrand
Passed the question to Jorge. If "the IAD shall ensure that such contract grants to ISOC the perpetual, irrevocable right, on behalf of IASA and IETF, to use, display, distribute, reproduce, modify and create derivatives of such Data." doesn't cover sublicensing (as in "letting others use to our

Re: Legal review results 1: Intellectual property (fwd)

2005-01-26 Thread Sam Hartman
> "Ted" == Ted Hardie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Ted> At 6:23 PM -0500 1/26/05, Sam Hartman wrote: >> I brought up the issue of sublicensing. Perhaps I missed >> discussion in the flood of messages. Assuming I didn't, let me >> try and prod people? >> >> Do people b

Re: Legal review results 1: Intellectual property (fwd)

2005-01-26 Thread Ted Hardie
At 6:23 PM -0500 1/26/05, Sam Hartman wrote: I brought up the issue of sublicensing. Perhaps I missed discussion in the flood of messages. Assuming I didn't, let me try and prod people? Do people believe the issue of sublicensing is not worth discussing or are we all just unsure what to say about

Re: Legal review results 1: Intellectual property (fwd)

2005-01-26 Thread Sam Hartman
I brought up the issue of sublicensing. Perhaps I missed discussion in the flood of messages. Assuming I didn't, let me try and prod people? Do people believe the issue of sublicensing is not worth discussing or are we all just unsure what to say about it? --Sam __

Re: Legal review results 1: Intellectual property (fwd)

2005-01-26 Thread Harald Tveit Alvestrand
-- Forwarded message -- Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 00:09:57 -0500 (EST) From: Dean Anderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Harald Tveit Alvestrand <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: ietf@ietf.org Subject: Re: Legal review results 1: Intellectual property One problem: One can have full cont

Re: Legal review results 1: Intellectual property (fwd)

2005-01-26 Thread Dean Anderson
ta to someone else to use. --Dean -- Forwarded message -- Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 00:09:57 -0500 (EST) From: Dean Anderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Harald Tveit Alvestrand <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: ietf@ietf.org Subject: Re: Legal review results 1: Intellect

Issue 820: RE: Legal review results 1: Intellectual property (fwd )

2005-01-26 Thread Wijnen, Bert (Bert)
lvestrand > Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 14:49 > To: ietf@ietf.org > Subject: RE: Legal review results 1: Intellectual property (fwd) > > > This doesn't seem to have made it to the list... > > > -- Forwarded Message -- > Date: mandag, janua

RE: Legal review results 1: Intellectual property

2005-01-26 Thread Contreras, Jorge
l, to the extent that there are any. -Original Message- From: Brian E Carpenter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005 9:34 AM To: Harald Tveit Alvestrand Cc: ietf@ietf.org; Contreras, Jorge Subject: Re: Legal review results 1: Intellectual property Harald Tveit Alvestrand

RE: Legal review results 1: Intellectual property (fwd)

2005-01-26 Thread Harald Tveit Alvestrand
ith software developed by IASA personnel, to the extent that there are any. -Original Message- From: Brian E Carpenter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005 9:34 AM To: Harald Tveit Alvestrand Cc: ietf@ietf.org; Contreras, Jorge Subject: Re: Legal review results 1: Intelle

Re: Legal review results 1: Intellectual property

2005-01-24 Thread Bruce Lilly
> Date: 2005-01-24 08:12 > From: Harald Tveit Alvestrand <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: ietf@ietf.org > CC: Jorge Contreras <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > (explicit CC to Jorge, since I'm interpreting his words) > On reading the text again, I think this text: > > > (B) ÂIf an IASA Contract provides for

Re: Legal review results 1: Intellectual property

2005-01-24 Thread Brian E Carpenter
Harald Tveit Alvestrand wrote: (explicit CC to Jorge, since I'm interpreting his words) --On fredag, januar 21, 2005 10:49:21 -0500 Bruce Lilly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Verbosity aside, I don't believe that "sole control and custodianship" applies to open source software. I am not a lawyer, but

Re: Legal review results 1: Intellectual property

2005-01-24 Thread Harald Tveit Alvestrand
(explicit CC to Jorge, since I'm interpreting his words) --On fredag, januar 21, 2005 10:49:21 -0500 Bruce Lilly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Verbosity aside, I don't believe that "sole control and custodianship" applies to open source software. I am not a lawyer, but the "Old text" seems not only

Re: Legal review results 1: Intellectual property

2005-01-23 Thread Dean Anderson
One problem: One can have full control over the software source code copyright but not over the patents that cover use of the software. If you don't have a patent license, you can't use patented software. The text should be modified to include specifications that one is given control over the

Re: Legal review results 1: Intellectual property

2005-01-22 Thread Sam Hartman
I'm still concerned with not having the ability to sublicense rights we have under this section. The last time I discussed this issue Harald pointed out that I was asking for more rights than we had under 3667. However I have sense been convinced that 3667 is broken.

Re: Legal review results 1: Intellectual property

2005-01-21 Thread Jeffrey Hutzelman
On Friday, January 21, 2005 15:40:31 +0100 Harald Tveit Alvestrand <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: ISOC will permit IASA and its designee(s) to have sole control and custodianship of such Developed Software, and ISOC will not utilize or access such Developed Software in connection with any ISOC func

Re: Legal review results 1: Intellectual property

2005-01-21 Thread Scott W Brim
On 1/21/2005 10:49, Bruce Lilly allegedly wrote: Verbosity aside, I don't believe that "sole control and custodianship" applies to open source software. I am not a lawyer, but the "Old text" seems not only more easily comprehended [I am reminded of Jonathan Swift's satirical look at lawyers in Gull

Re: Legal review results 1: Intellectual property

2005-01-21 Thread Brian E Carpenter
Harald Tveit Alvestrand wrote: ... My biggest problem with this is size.. I think in the case of text resulting from legal review, that is not something we should worry about. Brian ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mai

Re: Legal review results 1: Intellectual property

2005-01-21 Thread Bruce Lilly
> Date: 2005-01-21 09:40 > From: Harald Tveit Alvestrand <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > In this and a few later messages, I'm relaying comments from Jorge > Contreras, the IETF's pro bono legal counsel. > > 1. ÂIntellectual Property. ÂI thi