Re: Obnoxious license

2009-08-16 Thread Simon Josefsson
Joel M. Halpern j...@joelhalpern.com writes: 1) There is no need to put licenses in the RFC at all. In fact, the trust document says clearly that putting license text in RFCs is a bad idea. Really? I'm sure the tools team will be delighted to hear that they no longer needs to spend time on

Re: Obnoxious license

2009-08-15 Thread Simon Josefsson
Rick el...@spinics.net writes: In article 6.2.5.6.2.20090813134034.0331e...@elandnews.com, SM s...@resistor.net wrote: I was discussing RFC 5617 with someone and the person mentioned that the copyright in the middle of the document is obnoxious. The copyright statement for the code is 32

Re: Obnoxious license

2009-08-15 Thread Julian Reschke
SM wrote: Hello, I was discussing RFC 5617 with someone and the person mentioned that the copyright in the middle of the document is obnoxious. The copyright statement for the code is 32 lines while the code (ABNF) is only five lines. If an author wants to include the statement in a RFC

Re: Obnoxious license

2009-08-15 Thread Joel M. Halpern
1) There is no need to put licenses in the RFC at all. In fact, the trust document says clearly that putting license text in RFCs is a bad idea. 2) The trust policy states that when code is extracted from an RFC, it must be marked for attribution, and that the extractor can modify and use the

Re: Obnoxious license

2009-08-15 Thread Sean Turner
Julian Reschke wrote: SM wrote: Hello, I was discussing RFC 5617 with someone and the person mentioned that the copyright in the middle of the document is obnoxious. The copyright statement for the code is 32 lines while the code (ABNF) is only five lines. If an author wants to include

RE: Obnoxious license

2009-08-15 Thread Dave Nelson
Can a copyright even be valid for just five lines of code? I'm told that in some jurisdictions even one line of code is sufficient. Wow. That seems patently silly. Am I too late to copyright all calls to malloc() and free()? :-) ___ Ietf

Re: Obnoxious license

2009-08-15 Thread Julian Reschke
Sean Turner wrote: ... In the documents I've worked on, it seems that they just want to put the statement in the section that collects all the ABNF, ASN.1, XML, etc. ... Who is they, and how is that consistent with what Joel just told us? BR, Julian

Re: Obnoxious license

2009-08-15 Thread Sean Turner
Julian Reschke wrote: Sean Turner wrote: ... In the documents I've worked on, it seems that they just want to put the statement in the section that collects all the ABNF, ASN.1, XML, etc. ... Who is they, and how is that consistent with what Joel just told us? This might be overtaken by

Re: Obnoxious license

2009-08-15 Thread Joel M. Halpern
I would consider that OBE. As I understand it, the trust procedures no longer require those license statements in RFCs. Yours, Joel Sean Turner wrote: Julian Reschke wrote: Sean Turner wrote: ... In the documents I've worked on, it seems that they just want to put the statement in the

Re: Obnoxious license

2009-08-15 Thread John Levine
I would consider that OBE. As I understand it, the trust procedures no longer require those license statements in RFCs. As of a few days ago it certainly did. Otherwise we wouldn't have put the license into RFC 5617 for the two lines (five after folding for margins) of ABNF. R's, John

Re: Obnoxious license

2009-08-13 Thread Fred Baker
That's essentially why we are trying to enable folks to put a reference in. The license needs to be with the extracted code. Can you suggest a way to put the license at the end (where I would but happier to have it also) and have it wind up in the extracted code? On Aug 13, 2009, at 2:04

Re: Obnoxious license

2009-08-13 Thread Paul Hoffman
At 2:12 PM -0700 8/13/09, Fred Baker wrote: That's essentially why we are trying to enable folks to put a reference in. The license needs to be with the extracted code. Can you suggest a way to put the license at the end (where I would but happier to have it also) and have it wind up in the

Re: Obnoxious license

2009-08-13 Thread SM
At 14:12 13-08-2009, Fred Baker wrote: That's essentially why we are trying to enable folks to put a reference in. The license needs to be with the extracted code. Can you suggest a way to put the license at the end (where I would but happier to have it also) and have it wind up in the extracted

Re: Obnoxious license

2009-08-13 Thread Andrew Sullivan
On 2009-08-13, at 17:34, Paul Hoffman paul.hoff...@vpnc.org wrote: Instead of putting it at the end, it could be put on a web site on a URL that is epected to be long-lived. http://www.rfc-editor.org/licenses/rfc6789-figure-1-license.txt comes to mind. I don't think I've seen this

Re: Obnoxious license

2009-08-13 Thread Dave CROCKER
Andrew Sullivan wrote: Why not have these stable licences published in RFCs? Those are already an archival format, so the reference is then not ambiguous. The code could then just include a [RFC] reference, I guess? +1 d/-- Dave Crocker Brandenburg InternetWorking bbiw.net