Re: Questions about draft-lear-iana-no-more-well-known-ports-00.txt

2006-06-06 Thread Eliot Lear
Joe, SRV records are not equivalent to either assigned or mutually-negotiated ports; they would require extra messages, extra round-trip times, and/or extra services (DNS) beyond what is currently required. Just to be clear, I am not suggesting that no assignments be done, but that SRV

RE: Questions about draft-lear-iana-no-more-well-known-ports-00.txt

2006-06-06 Thread Hallam-Baker, Phillip
From: Jeffrey Hutzelman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (2) As I understand it, for ports above 1024, the IANA does _not_ assign values - it just registers uses claimed by others. Eliminating well-known ports eliminates any assignment role, and leaves us with just a registry of

Re: Questions about draft-lear-iana-no-more-well-known-ports-00.txt

2006-06-06 Thread Joe Touch
Eliot Lear wrote: Joe, SRV records are not equivalent to either assigned or mutually-negotiated ports; they would require extra messages, extra round-trip times, and/or extra services (DNS) beyond what is currently required. Just to be clear, I am not suggesting that no assignments be

RE: Questions about draft-lear-iana-no-more-well-known-ports-00.txt

2006-06-06 Thread Hallam-Baker, Phillip
From: Joe Touch [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] The second is a problem, for reasons explained in my I-D, because it puts control over host service offerings in the hands of whomever controls its DNS (e.g., another thing for ISPs to claim makes you a commercial customer at commercial prices)

Re: Questions about draft-lear-iana-no-more-well-known-ports-00.txt

2006-06-06 Thread Joe Touch
Hallam-Baker, Phillip wrote: From: Joe Touch [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] The second is a problem, for reasons explained in my I-D, because it puts control over host service offerings in the hands of whomever controls its DNS (e.g., another thing for ISPs to claim makes you a commercial

RE: Questions about draft-lear-iana-no-more-well-known-ports-00.txt

2006-06-06 Thread Hallam-Baker, Phillip
From: Joe Touch [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Hallam-Baker, Phillip wrote: From: Joe Touch [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] The second is a problem, for reasons explained in my I-D, because it puts control over host service offerings in the hands of whomever controls its DNS (e.g.,

Re: Questions about draft-lear-iana-no-more-well-known-ports-00.txt

2006-06-06 Thread Joe Touch
Hallam-Baker, Phillip wrote: ... You are confusing politics with technology and making a hash of both. I would encourage you to review the doc; it discusses the details of the differences in technical terms. I'll refrain from repeating them here. Joe signature.asc Description: OpenPGP

Re: Questions about draft-lear-iana-no-more-well-known-ports-00.txt

2006-06-06 Thread Mark Andrews
From: Jeffrey Hutzelman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (2) As I understand it, for ports above 1024, the IANA does _not_ assign values - it just registers uses claimed by others. Eliminating well-known ports eliminates any assignment role, and leaves us with just a

Re: Questions about draft-lear-iana-no-more-well-known-ports-00.txt

2006-06-05 Thread Joe Touch
Eliot Lear wrote: Jeff, Disclaimer - I wasn't even aware of this document before reading this thread. However, I have now read it, so feel prepared to comment. As it only just came out, you haven't missed much of a debate. (1) The IANA is a group of adults, but it is no longer a group of

Re: Questions about draft-lear-iana-no-more-well-known-ports-00.txt

2006-05-26 Thread Eliot Lear
Jeff, Disclaimer - I wasn't even aware of this document before reading this thread. However, I have now read it, so feel prepared to comment. As it only just came out, you haven't missed much of a debate. (1) The IANA is a group of adults, but it is no longer a group of protocol subject

Re: Questions about draft-lear-iana-no-more-well-known-ports-00.txt

2006-05-24 Thread Jeffrey Hutzelman
Disclaimer - I wasn't even aware of this document before reading this thread. However, I have now read it, so feel prepared to comment. On Wednesday, May 24, 2006 03:11:29 PM +0200 Eliot Lear [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, the distinction between well known ports and just assigned ports is

Re: Questions about draft-lear-iana-no-more-well-known-ports-00.txt

2006-05-24 Thread John C Klensin
--On Wednesday, 24 May, 2006 19:06 -0400 Jeffrey Hutzelman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Disclaimer - I wasn't even aware of this document before reading this thread. However, I have now read it, so feel prepared to comment. ... (2) As I understand it, for ports above 1024, the IANA does

Re: Questions about draft-lear-iana-no-more-well-known-ports-00.txt

2006-05-24 Thread David Conrad
Hi, On May 24, 2006, at 4:06 PM, Jeffrey Hutzelman wrote: On Wednesday, May 24, 2006 03:11:29 PM +0200 Eliot Lear [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, the distinction between well known ports and just assigned ports is outdated. The overarching theme of the document is that the IANA should be

Re: Questions about draft-lear-iana-no-more-well-known-ports-00.txt

2006-05-24 Thread David Conrad
Hi, On May 24, 2006, at 6:16 PM, John C Klensin wrote: This is not correct. They do, indeed, assign values. Yes. They also apply some minimal rules in doing so. IANA does a basic sanity check and if there is any question as to whether a port should be allocated, we pass the request to