Re: RFC production center XML format usage, was: [IAOC] xml2rfc and legal services RFPs

2011-06-24 Thread Julian Reschke
On 2011-02-23 11:09, Julian Reschke wrote: ... I just realized that I have an archive of XML versions of RFCs in AUTH48 state; so I *can* report the percentage of XML versions since ~RFC5000. Note that these may be inaccurate (for instance, not all RFC numbers get assigned, right?); it just

Re: RFC production center XML format usage, was: [IAOC] xml2rfc and legal services RFPs

2011-02-25 Thread Suzanne Woolf
Colleagues, With respectful apologies to both the posters I'm quoting, I'm going to reframe this conversation slightly, in hopes of pointing out what I think we're really talking about, or should be. On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 05:59:02PM +0100, Henrik Levkowetz wrote: On 2011-02-24 17:38 Andrew

Re: RFC production center XML format usage, was: [IAOC] xml2rfc and legal services RFPs

2011-02-24 Thread Andrew Sullivan
On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 01:59:23PM -0500, Dave CROCKER wrote: I was impressed with just how steady that increase appears to be over a reasonably extended period of time, as well as its seeming to be around 70%, not 50%, now. Pretty serious 'market' domination... I submit that this is a

RE: RFC production center XML format usage, was: [IAOC] xml2rfc and legal services RFPs

2011-02-24 Thread Worley, Dale R (Dale)
From: ietf-boun...@ietf.org [ietf-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Andrew Sullivan [a...@shinkuro.com] how difficult it is to get things by idnits. ___ I would expect that the idnits rules change only very

Re: RFC production center XML format usage, was: [IAOC] xml2rfc and legal services RFPs

2011-02-24 Thread Andrew Sullivan
On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 10:18:10AM -0500, Worley, Dale R (Dale) wrote: I would expect that the idnits rules change only very slowly. What is the real story on that? They seem to change more quickly than people realise. Also, of course, a whole bunch of changes can go by between a given

Re: RFC production center XML format usage, was: [IAOC] xml2rfc and legal services RFPs

2011-02-24 Thread Henrik Levkowetz
Hi Andrew, On 2011-02-24 16:28 Andrew Sullivan said: On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 10:18:10AM -0500, Worley, Dale R (Dale) wrote: I would expect that the idnits rules change only very slowly. What is the real story on that? They seem to change more quickly than people realise. Also, of

RE: RFC production center XML format usage, was: [IAOC] xml2rfc and legal services RFPs

2011-02-24 Thread Worley, Dale R (Dale)
From: ietf-boun...@ietf.org [ietf-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Henrik Levkowetz [hen...@levkowetz.com] Only errors will prevent an automatic draft submission from going through; ignore the warnings and comments to your heart's content for that purpose. Are you saying that one can order

Re: RFC production center XML format usage, was: [IAOC] xml2rfc and legal services RFPs

2011-02-24 Thread Ben Niven-Jenkins
On 24 Feb 2011, at 16:25, Worley, Dale R (Dale) wrote: From: ietf-boun...@ietf.org [ietf-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Henrik Levkowetz [hen...@levkowetz.com] Only errors will prevent an automatic draft submission from going through; ignore the warnings and comments to your heart's

Re: RFC production center XML format usage, was: [IAOC] xml2rfc and legal services RFPs

2011-02-24 Thread Andrew Sullivan
On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 05:11:00PM +0100, Henrik Levkowetz wrote: The ratio of gripes against idnits to actual bug reports is getting to be a bit annoying; and I'd like to suggest that people either submit bug reports, or direct the complaints against the requirements of 1id-guidelines.txt

Re: RFC production center XML format usage, was: [IAOC] xml2rfc and legal services RFPs

2011-02-24 Thread Henrik Levkowetz
On 2011-02-24 17:25 Worley, Dale R (Dale) said: From: ietf-boun...@ietf.org [ietf-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Henrik Levkowetz [hen...@levkowetz.com] Only errors will prevent an automatic draft submission from going through; ignore the warnings and comments to your heart's content for

Re: RFC production center XML format usage, was: [IAOC] xml2rfc and legal services RFPs

2011-02-24 Thread Henrik Levkowetz
Hi Andrew, On 2011-02-24 17:38 Andrew Sullivan said: On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 05:11:00PM +0100, Henrik Levkowetz wrote: The ratio of gripes against idnits to actual bug reports is getting to be a bit annoying; and I'd like to suggest that people either submit bug reports, or direct the

RE: RFC production center XML format usage, was: [IAOC] xml2rfc and legal services RFPs

2011-02-24 Thread Worley, Dale R (Dale)
From: Henrik Levkowetz [hen...@levkowetz.com] This is at the top of the idnits output in submission checking mode: Showing Errors (**), Warnings (==), and Comments (--). Errors MUST be fixed before draft submission. Are people complaining about the errors or the warnings? It would

Re: RFC production center XML format usage, was: [IAOC] xml2rfc and legal services RFPs

2011-02-24 Thread John C Klensin
--On Thursday, February 24, 2011 09:42 -0500 Andrew Sullivan a...@shinkuro.com wrote: On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 01:59:23PM -0500, Dave CROCKER wrote: I was impressed with just how steady that increase appears to be over a reasonably extended period of time, as well as its seeming to be

Re: RFC production center XML format usage, was: [IAOC] xml2rfc and legal services RFPs

2011-02-24 Thread Brian E Carpenter
On 2011-02-25 05:38, Andrew Sullivan wrote: On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 05:11:00PM +0100, Henrik Levkowetz wrote: The ratio of gripes against idnits to actual bug reports is getting to be a bit annoying; and I'd like to suggest that people either submit bug reports, or direct the complaints

Re: RFC production center XML format usage, was: [IAOC] xml2rfc and legal services RFPs

2011-02-24 Thread Paul Hoffman
On 2/24/11 7:28 AM, Andrew Sullivan wrote: On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 10:18:10AM -0500, Worley, Dale R (Dale) wrote: I would expect that the idnits rules change only very slowly. What is the real story on that? They seem to change more quickly than people realise. Also, of course, a whole

RE: RFC production center XML format usage, was: [IAOC] xml2rfc and legal services RFPs

2011-02-24 Thread Worley, Dale R (Dale)
From: ietf-boun...@ietf.org [ietf-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Paul Hoffman [paul.hoff...@vpnc.org] So, I suspect that the large percentage of the non-00 drafts getting kicked back are due to the IETF Trust requirements changing over time. We can argue (and have argued!) about all that,

RE: RFC production center XML format usage, was: [IAOC] xml2rfc and legal services RFPs

2011-02-23 Thread Worley, Dale R (Dale)
From: ietf-boun...@ietf.org [ietf-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Sandy Ginoza [sgin...@amsl.com] Julian's numbers are good approximations; 50-60% of docs have XML source files. Rising fairly steadily, and approaching 70% in the most recent RFCs. Dale

Re: RFC production center XML format usage, was: [IAOC] xml2rfc and legal services RFPs

2011-02-23 Thread Dave CROCKER
On 2/23/2011 12:29 PM, Worley, Dale R (Dale) wrote: Rising fairly steadily, and approaching 70% in the most recent RFCs. Exactly. I was impressed with just how steady that increase appears to be over a reasonably extended period of time, as well as its seeming to be around 70%, not 50%,