Re: Resolution? #787 terminology - in particular ISOC Standards Pillar

2005-01-26 Thread Brian E Carpenter
Wijnen, Bert (Bert) wrote: So... not 100% sure I captured the result ciorrectly. This is what we have in rev 04: section title=Divisional Accounting anchor=divisional-accounting t Funds managed by IASA shall be accounted for in a

RE: Resolution? #787 terminology - in particular ISOC Standards Pillar

2005-01-26 Thread Scott Bradner
I have left the change to General Ledger Accounts out for the time being, because I am not sure we have consensus on that yet (even though ISOC prefers that terminology). I would think it is a generally good idea to use the legal terms to reduce confusion so I see no justification to not use

Re: Resolution? #787 terminology - in particular ISOC Standards Pillar

2005-01-26 Thread Tom Petch
Revision 5 is ok with me. Tom Petch This is what I have in my edit buffer for revision 05 section title=Cost Center Accounting anchor=cc-accounting t As discussed with ISOC, funds managed by IASA shall be accounted for in

Re: Resolution? #787 terminology - in particular ISOC Standards Pillar

2005-01-25 Thread Lynn St.Amour
Comments below. Thanks, Lynn At 6:03 PM +0100 1/20/05, Tom Petch wrote: Inline, Tom Petch - Original Message - From: Harald Tveit Alvestrand [EMAIL PROTECTED] snip IASA accounts should probably be changed to IASA general ledger accounts - to have a recognizable term from bookkeeping

Re: Resolution? #787 terminology - in particular ISOC Standards Pillar

2005-01-25 Thread Lynn St.Amour
Margaret, I agree with your point below but I do feel it is helpful to state what ISOC's intended implementation is: a Cost Center within ISOC. This should not override the section (principle) you quote below. Perhaps we can add language at the beginning of this section to clarify all this (or

Re: Resolution? #787 terminology - in particular ISOC Standards Pillar

2005-01-25 Thread Margaret Wasserman
Lynn's suggested text is fine with me. Margaret At 4:53 PM -0500 1/25/05, Lynn St.Amour wrote: Margaret, I agree with your point below but I do feel it is helpful to state what ISOC's intended implementation is: a Cost Center within ISOC. This should not override the section (principle) you

RE: Resolution? #787 terminology - in particular ISOC Standards Pillar

2005-01-25 Thread Wijnen, Bert (Bert)
PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Margaret Wasserman Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 01:47 To: Lynn St.Amour; Carl Malamud; Tom Petch Cc: Harald Tveit Alvestrand; Lynn DuVal; ietf@ietf.org Subject: Re: Resolution? #787 terminology - in particular ISOC Standards Pillar Lynn's

Re: Resolution? #787 terminology - in particular ISOC Standards Pillar

2005-01-25 Thread Carl Malamud
- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Margaret Wasserman Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 01:47 To: Lynn St.Amour; Carl Malamud; Tom Petch Cc: Harald Tveit Alvestrand; Lynn DuVal; ietf@ietf.org Subject: Re: Resolution? #787 terminology - in particular ISOC Standards

Re: Resolution? #787 terminology - in particular ISOC Standards Pillar

2005-01-21 Thread Margaret Wasserman
I generally agree with Tom and Carl. The community needs visibility in to the IASA finances, sufficient to ensure that the IETF's money is spent on IETF-related activities with a reasonable level of prudence. I don't think that our BCP needs to specify a reporting methodology that the IAD/IAOC

Re: Resolution? #787 terminology - in particular ISOC Standards Pillar

2005-01-21 Thread Carl Malamud
Hi Margaret - Maybe we agree, but I'm not sure. I used the following phrase: periodic summary of the IASA accounts in the form of standard financial statements that reflect the income, expenses, assets, and liabilities of that cost center. So, I agree with you that this doesn't have

Re: Resolution? #787 terminology - in particular ISOC Standards Pillar

2005-01-21 Thread Tom Petch
, January 21, 2005 3:20 PM Subject: Re: Resolution? #787 terminology - in particular ISOC Standards Pillar I generally agree with Tom and Carl. The community needs visibility in to the IASA finances, sufficient to ensure that the IETF's money is spent on IETF-related activities with a reasonable

Re: Resolution? #787 terminology - in particular ISOC Standards Pillar

2005-01-21 Thread Margaret Wasserman
So, I agree with you that this doesn't have to say of that cost center and could easily say the IASA. But, when you say in the form of a PL statement, I get a little scared ... as you know from your periodic reviews of the ISOC overall finances, an income statement without a balance sheet

Re: Resolution? #787 terminology - in particular ISOC Standards Pillar

2005-01-20 Thread Brian E Carpenter
I full agree with Harald on this Brian Harald Tveit Alvestrand wrote: In #787, Margaret raised a couple of terminology questions related to the terms: - IASA Accounts - IETF accounts - ISOC Standards pillar In discussion, it seems clear that IETF accounts is a mistake, and should be changed

Re: Resolution? #787 terminology - in particular ISOC Standards Pillar

2005-01-20 Thread Tom Petch
Inline, Tom Petch - Original Message - From: Harald Tveit Alvestrand [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ietf@ietf.org Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 3:24 PM Subject: Resolution? #787 terminology - in particular ISOC Standards Pillar In #787, Margaret raised a couple of terminology questions

Re: Resolution? #787 terminology - in particular ISOC Standards Pillar

2005-01-20 Thread Carl Malamud
Hi - I agree with Tom that this is kind of confused, and I think there is some potential fast and loose use of the language of accountancy. :)) I think the vague term accounts is just fine for the purpose we are engaged in. I think all we're trying to say is that the ietf community would like