RE: Silly TLS Auth lobbying

2007-10-29 Thread Hallam-Baker, Phillip
If we create confusion by labelling everything RFC we are going to feel the ill effects caused by that confusion. I know we keep comming across the problem that the RFC numbers are welded into the infrastructure and nobody seems to want STDs. But we still have a problem. Perhaps a variant of

Re: Silly TLS Auth lobbying

2007-10-29 Thread Simon Josefsson
Did you consider that the IANA allocation policy for the two IANA values required by the document is "IETF Consensus"? The standards track status of the document doesn't matter then. What matters is if the registration meets "IETF Consensus", and the IESG decides this. I think the policies aroun

Re: Silly TLS Auth lobbying

2007-10-29 Thread Sam Hartman
> "RJ" == RJ Atkinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: RJ> I support the idea that virtually any document ought to be RJ> able to be published as an Informational RFC or Experimental RJ> RFC. Technology that is useful will be adopted if RJ> economically sensible, whether in an RFC

RE: Silly TLS Auth lobbying

2007-10-29 Thread michael.dillon
> - Many RFCs are *not* on the IETF standards track. One of the commenters mentioned that even Informational RFCs are seen, by the uninitiated, as having the force of a standard. > - Any "Experimental RFC" is *not* on the IETF standards track. >So there is no "endorsement" by IETF in publishi

Re: Silly TLS Auth lobbying

2007-10-29 Thread Masataka Ohta
RJ Atkinson wrote: > Some important things that the FSF folks seem NOT to understand, > and frankly seem to aggressively NOT want to understand, are: > > - Many RFCs are *not* on the IETF standards track. > > - Any "Experimental RFC" is *not* on the IETF standards track. > So there is no "endo