On Oct 12, 2007, at 11:24 PM, Fred Baker wrote:
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I asked James this privately, but if we're going to get into an off-
topic discussion of global warming, I'll ask it publicly to whoever
has a good answer.
We all agree that global warming is
Here we go
Copious amounts of data...graphs...formulas...models...scientists
predicting doom and humans are the cause. Where have I heard this before?
Oh yea, the Club of Rome. Their copious amounts of data, graphs, models
and formulas, predicted mass starvation and that economic
Please save the planet by working on a better Internet, not
by posting to an off-topic mail thread.
Jari
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Jari Arkko wrote:
Please save the planet by working on a better Internet, not
by posting to an off-topic mail thread.
Perhaps the IETF should consider purchasing carbon credits for each
standards track document produced :)
Darryl (Dassa) Lynch
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You're assuming that if 1000 people decide not to fly to Prague
some weekend that the number of planes burning jet fuel to fly there
will be different. I don't think so.
Maybe you can start a Boycott Prague The Spoke City campaign which,
if wildly successful, will reduce demand to fly there
On Oct 12, 2007, at 10:32 AM, Eric Burger wrote:
Here is an interesting optimization problem: it turns out the most
polluting part of a conference is people taking jets to fly to the
conference. Minimize that and the planet wins. Favors hub cities
over
spokes, like San Diego or Prague,
Eric Burger wrote:
Here is an interesting optimization problem: it turns out the most
polluting part of a conference is people taking jets to fly to the
conference. Minimize that and the planet wins. Favors hub cities over
spokes, like San Diego or Prague, where you can't get there from
lemonade is.
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From: Stewart Bryant [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Eric Burger
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Sent: Fri Oct 12 07:59:42 2007
Subject: Re: Travel Considerations
Eric Burger wrote:
See http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/reprint/318/5847/36.pdf
Which seems to be only
Eric Burger wrote:
See http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/reprint/318/5847/36.pdf
Which seems to be only available to those prepared to pay.
Stewart
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12, 2007 3:18 PM
To: Dan Harkins; Eric Burger
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Subject: Re: Travel Considerations
Unfortunately, using this logic -- I can buy a tank and get 2
gallons-to-the-mile mileage because the rest of the planet (or at
least America) is still buying SUVs that get horrible mileage
Unfortunately, using this logic -- I can buy a tank and get 2
gallons-to-the-mile mileage because the rest of the planet (or at
least America) is still buying SUVs that get horrible mileage too,
since there will be nearly an unmeasurable difference to global
warming if I drive my tank or
On 10/12/07 3:31 PM, Eric Gray [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Time out for station identification; this is the Internet
Engineering Task Force.
I tend to think of it as at least in part an engineering question.
Obvious questions about tradeoffs and whatnot, and then the question
of engineering for
Hi James,
I think you're missing the point. I'm not advocating being wasteful
because everyone else is. I'm saying that this effort is futile and
will not result in _any_ win for the planet. Your analogy to driving
an SUV is incorrect because not driving the SUV (or driving an
electric car
: Re: Travel Considerations
Hi James,
I think you're missing the point. I'm not advocating being wasteful
because everyone else is. I'm saying that this effort is futile and
will not result in _any_ win for the planet. Your analogy to driving
an SUV is incorrect because not driving
, October 12, 2007 5:03 PM
To: James M. Polk
Cc: ietf@ietf.org
Subject: Re: Travel Considerations
Hi James,
I think you're missing the point. I'm not advocating being wasteful
because everyone else is. I'm saying that this effort is futile and
will not result in _any_ win
Here is an interesting optimization problem: it turns out the
most polluting part of a conference is people taking jets to
fly to the conference. Minimize that and the planet wins.
Simple solution. Only allow people to attend if they take a train or bus
to the conference. Enforce this by
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Mr Chairman, I have a suggestion. I suggest that we have a BOF at the
next IETF on heat transfer issues, and subsequently open a working
group. It can deal with this issue right after it solves the leakage
current problem in fine lithography
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I asked James this privately, but if we're going to get into an off-
topic discussion of global warming, I'll ask it publicly to whoever
has a good answer.
We all agree that global warming is happening. If you go to the
terminal moraine, the
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