Re: how to declare consensus when someone ignores consensus

2006-01-24 Thread nick . staff
-- Original message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Noel Chiappa) > Ah, I suspect that Elwyn was gently pulling your leg about your inability to > spell "capital" (i.e. the death penalty) - "capitol" means "location of the > government" Ahh haaadamn word...it'll pay for

Re: how to declare consensus when someone ignores consensus

2006-01-23 Thread Noel Chiappa
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> From: Elwyn Davies <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> a debate on the humanity of capitol punishment? >> Do I assume that this punishment requires the malefactor to sit >> through a set period of congressional filibusters? > Capitol punishment is barbar

Re: how to declare consensus when someone ignores consensus

2006-01-23 Thread nick . staff
-- Original message -- From: Elwyn Davies <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > Can you imagine if during every murder trial they had a debate on the > > humanity of capitol punishment? > > > As a non-US citizen, I am a little hazy about some details of

RE: how to declare consensus when someone ignores consensus

2006-01-23 Thread Gray, Eric
Ned Freed --> Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 9:41 AM --> To: Anthony G Atkielski --> Cc: ietf@ietf.org --> Subject: Re: how to declare consensus when someone ignores consensus --> --> > Robert Sayre writes: --> --> > > I suspect the IESG will find that the folk

Re: P2P protocols (Re: Re: how to declare consensus when someone ignores consensus)

2006-01-23 Thread Steven M. Bellovin
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Harald Tveit Alvestrand writes: > >let's veer off... this is much more fun than other current discussions :-) >Since a major problem for "illegal" P2P networks at the moment is dealing >with content that is inserted maliciously (the file named "Britney Spears' >lat

Re: how to declare consensus when someone ignores consensus

2006-01-23 Thread Elwyn Davies
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can you imagine if during every murder trial they had a debate on the humanity of capitol punishment? As a non-US citizen, I am a little hazy about some details of the US legal system. Do I assume that this punishment requires the malefactor to sit through a set

Re: how to declare consensus when someone ignores consensus

2006-01-23 Thread Ned Freed
> Robert Sayre writes: > > I suspect the IESG will find that the folks actually trying to get > > work done in the presence of JFC's emails all feel the same way. Most > > of the objections seem to be coming from people concerned with > > designing the perfect bureaucratic process. In any WG, ther

P2P protocols (Re: Re: how to declare consensus when someone ignores consensus)

2006-01-23 Thread Harald Tveit Alvestrand
--On 23. januar 2006 06:26 +0200 John Loughney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 01/22/2006 22:27 PM, John Loughney allegedly wrote: > Look at various peer-to-peer protocols as a good > examples of things that people use everyday, but wouldn't stand a > chance of getting an RFC. Why not? Now

Re: how to declare consensus when someone ignores consensus

2006-01-23 Thread Anthony G. Atkielski
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Can you imagine if during every murder trial they had a debate on > the humanity of capitol punishment? Can you imagine if, in every business meeting, people who disagreed decided to sue each other? > Please, if you don't have an opinion specifically related to > Jefs

Re: how to declare consensus when someone ignores consensus

2006-01-23 Thread Anthony G. Atkielski
John Loughney writes: > Now we're close to side veering off into process issues, but > rather than going into that rat-hole, I'll just pose a question: do > you think p2p protocol authors would have any motiviation to create > a Security Considerations section that would pass IESG review? Do you

Re: how to declare consensus when someone ignores consensus

2006-01-23 Thread Anthony G. Atkielski
Robert Sayre writes: > I suspect the IESG will find that the folks actually trying to get > work done in the presence of JFC's emails all feel the same way. Most > of the objections seem to be coming from people concerned with > designing the perfect bureaucratic process. In any WG, there are > im

Re: how to declare consensus when someone ignores consensus

2006-01-23 Thread Anthony G. Atkielski
John Loughney writes: > People who suggest ignoring or hitting delete don't seem to > really get it ... People who insist that this doesn't work don't seem to really get it. It has worked for me for decades. The reality is that some people are irritated by the need to do anything they don't want

Re: how to declare consensus when someone ignores consensus

2006-01-23 Thread Dave Crocker
Now we're close to side veering off into process issues, but rather than going into that rat-hole, I'll just pose a question: do you think p2p protocol authors would have any motiviation to create a Security Considerations section that would pass IESG review? a security considerations section

Re: Re: how to declare consensus when someone ignores consensus

2006-01-22 Thread John Loughney
> On 01/22/2006 22:27 PM, John Loughney allegedly wrote: > > Look at various peer-to-peer protocols as a good > > examples of things that people use everyday, but wouldn't stand a > > chance of getting an RFC. > > Why not? Now we're close to side veering off into process issues, but rather than g

Re: how to declare consensus when someone ignores consensus

2006-01-22 Thread Robert Sayre
On 1/22/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Please, if you don't have > an opinion specifically related to Jefsey then stay out of the Jefsey > discussion. On 1/22/06, Scott W Brim wrote: > On 01/22/2006 22:27 PM, John Loughney allegedly wrote: > > Look at various peer-to-peer pr

Re: how to declare consensus when someone ignores consensus

2006-01-22 Thread nick . staff
-- Original message -- From: John Loughney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > I am growing tired of this meta-discussion, but I just needed to add my 2 cents, > then I'll be quiet >I cannot say if this is what Jefsey is doing, as I am not active in any of the >WGs in question.John-

Re: how to declare consensus when someone ignores consensus

2006-01-22 Thread Scott W Brim
On 01/22/2006 22:27 PM, John Loughney allegedly wrote: > Look at various peer-to-peer protocols as a good > examples of things that people use everyday, but wouldn't stand a > chance of getting an RFC. Why not? ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https: