On 23-nov-03, at 12:47, James Seng wrote:
Yes, there is leakage in Punycode now and will be for a while. It is
not "nice" but I couldnt think of any encoding which wont leak. (UTF-8
will give you gibberish if client are not UTF-8 aware or with the
right fonts). Same arguments we have in IDN WG
John,
Ah I see now. Yes, there is leakage in Punycode now and will be for a
while. It is not "nice" but I couldnt think of any encoding which wont
leak. (UTF-8 will give you gibberish if client are not UTF-8 aware or
with the right fonts). Same arguments we have in IDN WG many years ago.
We wa
John,
JCK> The design of Punycode was for machine-to-machine communication, as
JCK> you point out. It was never really intended or expected to "leak"
JCK> into use environments.
...
JCK> Indeed, it was chosen, in preference to some other options, on the
JCK> grounds that
JCK>* it could be depl
James,
My apologies for being a bit cryptic -- I hoped people would
understand the issues well enough by now to get the point. The
difference between the design of --and hopes for-- IDNA and what
is happening is something the community needs to understand and
be better informed about. The d
using a message counter might save
some ink and speed up the bluesheet movement.
Steve
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There are going to be *at least* three desirable encodings of a person's
identity -- the 'natural' encoding in the preferred/native charset of the
person's name, some kind of phonetic-ASCII encoding that tells non-natives
how to pronounce the name, and the email/idna encoding[s] that folks would
us
Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote:
On 19-nov-03, at 22:28, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote:
It should be RFID, cheaper, and easier, not only for the blue sheets.
Wouldn't it be even cheaper if everyone who has a laptop with wireless
with them signs in on an electronic version of the blue sheets? This
just
On 19-nov-03, at 22:28, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote:
It should be RFID, cheaper, and easier, not only for the blue sheets.
Wouldn't it be even cheaper if everyone who has a laptop with wireless
with them signs in on an electronic version of the blue sheets? This
just takes a few hours of fiddling
tendance list is in the web site, right ?
>
> It will save a lot of time (money) to all of us, including
> the IETF secretariat.
>
> Regards,
> Jordi
>
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> From: "Rosen, Brian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "'JORDI PA
Dave Crocker wrote:
>> What I would suggest, if we do this, is writing the person's name
>> *twice*: once in their native character set, and once in a form that
>> an english-reader can read. The latter is an established interchange
>> architecture
>
> I believe that was the intention in the pro
JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote:
It should be RFID, cheaper, and easier, not only for the blue sheets.
How would RFID be cheaper than barcodes? Someday, maybe, but today the
tags are expensive--according to CNet, "depending on volume, customers
can expect to pay 30 cents to $1 per radio tag". The I
On 20-nov-03, at 4:05, James Seng wrote:
I think having the punycode form have no "value" on a name badge.
Punycode, as it is designed, is meant for machine-to-machine
communication.
So why don't we come up with a machine-to-human transliteration
mechanism? So if someone called ÎÎáÏ (trouble wi
I think having the punycode form have no "value" on a name badge.
Punycode, as it is designed, is meant for machine-to-machine communication.
But I like the idea of allowing participation to put their own native
names together with their ASCII version on the name badge especially for
the next I
On Wed, 19 Nov 2003 14:44:09 PST, "Ole J. Jacobsen" said:
> line printers any more, but you get the idea :-) [If anyone still
> remembers how to make a line printer attached to an IBM 370 do this by
> sending just the right sort of code, you get extra points].
The IBM 1403 printer (1200 lines per
Fred,
FB> What I would suggest, if we do this, is writing the person's name *twice*:
FB> once in their native character set, and once in a form that an
FB> english-reader can read. The latter is an established interchange architecture
I believe that was the intention in the proposal. List name
At 10:28 PM +0100 11/19/03, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote:
>It should be RFID, cheaper, and easier, not only for the blue sheets.
>
>The badge could be pre-configured with the data from our own IETF registration.
>
>The badge will store the names of the people who we have been talking during the
>wee
>Someone can complain about privacy issues, but I feel that is the same now whe
>n the blue sheet is circulated, or the attendance list is in the web site, rig
>ht ?
>
Count me as one of the complainants.
The big problem with RFID is that your identity is exposed at times
when you don't want it
If we do this, it should be WE (the IETF engineers) that do it and NOT
another thing we request the secretariat to do. We should eat our own
dogfood by writing, testing and then GIVING an implementation that is
compatible with the current label making system to the secretariat.
It's probably not t
> I'm not sure if you are joking, but I think is an excellent idea ...
>
> A badge communication protocol ... if you start with the draft, I will
> be happy to contribute !
I'm working on lots of other things, and somehow I suspect that others
are more qualified than I am to get this rolling.
Th
.
Regards,
Jordi
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Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 10:14 PM
Subject: RE: i18n name badges
> Let'
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> Keith,
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> I'm not sure if you are joking, but I think is an excellent idea ...
>
> A badge communication pro
On 19-nov-03, at 18:03, Dave Crocker wrote:
I think that enhanced character sets is a perfect topic for having the
IETF eat its own dogfood. Just dealing with the details of the name
tags might well prove instructive to us, nevermind the basic
politeness
it offers to attendees.
Easy to say f
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--On Wednesday, November 19, 2003 11:15 -0800 Fred Baker
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> At 08:23 AM 11/19/2003, Peter Saint-Andre wrote:
>> Proposals for making email addresses fully internationalized
>> were a hot topic in Minneapolis. I'd like to suggest a more
>> modest reform: fully internatio
Peter Saint-Andre" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 8:12 PM
Subject: Re: i18n name badges
> > Proposals for making email addresses fully internationalized were a
> > hot topic in Minneapolis. I'd
At 08:23 AM 11/19/2003, Peter Saint-Andre wrote:
Proposals for making email addresses fully internationalized were a hot
topic in Minneapolis. I'd like to suggest a more modest reform: fully
internationalized IETF name badges. IETF 59 might be a fine venue for
rolling those out...
No problem, as
> Proposals for making email addresses fully internationalized were a
> hot topic in Minneapolis. I'd like to suggest a more modest reform:
> fully internationalized IETF name badges. IETF 59 might be a fine
> venue for rolling those out...
I'd love to see an Internet-Draft on the topic. For inst
"Peter Saint-Andre" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 7:07 PM
Subject: Re: i18n name badges
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>
> --On Wednesday, November 19, 2003 09:03 -0800 Dave Crocker
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Peter,
>
--On Wednesday, November 19, 2003 09:03 -0800 Dave Crocker
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Peter,
>
> PSA> Proposals for making email addresses fully
> internationalized were a hot PSA> topic in Minneapolis. I'd
> like to suggest a more modest reform: fully PSA>
> internationalized IETF name badge
Peter,
PSA> Proposals for making email addresses fully internationalized were a hot
PSA> topic in Minneapolis. I'd like to suggest a more modest reform: fully
PSA> internationalized IETF name badges. IETF 59 might be a fine venue for
PSA> rolling those out...
I think that enhanced character set
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