> "JFC" == JFC (Jefsey) Morfin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
JFC> Tax aspects on donations will, most probaly in many
JFC> countries, call for donations to a legally incorporated
JFC> entity. What is the IETF legal entity I am to write on the
JFC> check and then claim for resulti
At 5:46 AM -0800 12/13/04, Eric Rescorla wrote:
As I read this section, the intention is to ensure that donors
who wish their funds to be used by IASA can do so easily, rather
than being forced to donate them to ISOC in general. I don't
think this is actually an instance in which our interests
are
At 16:38 13/12/2004, Sam Hartman wrote:
> "JFC" == JFC (Jefsey) Morfin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
JFC> Tax aspects on donations will, most probaly in many
JFC> countries, call for donations to a legally incorporated
JFC> entity. What is the IETF legal entity I am to write on the
I am not a real accountant and kind of simple-minded.
So when you say:
> > "Lynn" == Lynn St Amour <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> Lynn> over 80% of ISOC's org. members donate less than $10K
> Lynn> annually and managing these in a 'restricted accounting
> Lynn> manner' requires m
At 10:37 AM -0800 12/13/04, Eric Rescorla wrote:
I agree with that, but that doesn't mean that our interests
are entirely aligned. Indeed, partnerships are a situation
in which it pays to take particular care to one's contracting
arrangements because the respective point of alignment and
disalignme
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Biran answered me:
>
> Wijnen, Bert (Bert) wrote:
> > I am not a real accountant and kind of simple-minded.
> >
> > So when you say:
> >
> >>>"Lynn" == Lynn St Amour <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >>
> >>Lynn> over 80% of ISOC's org. members donate less than $10K
> >>Lynn> annu
Bert, that does not change the need for the ISOC accountants
to generate a separate entry for each case and for the auditors
to check each of those entries. It's a real cost, because
accountancy and auditing cost real money.
Brian
Wijnen, Bert (Bert) wrote:
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Biran answered me:
Wijnen, Bert
Let me try a slightly different cut on the discussion.
1/ I believe the IETF is trying to address the fact we would like
to be able to accept support in chunks that are greater than
individual meeting fees, and less than $100kUS. IMHO,
it's not that the IETF needs to be able to accept don
Hi Leslie -
There's something I'm not quite understanding, and I was wondering if others
might share my confusion.
I can think of two reasons why taking small targeted donations is bad:
1. It's a pain to administer and account for.
2. It screws up the overall marketing plan in some way (e.g., sh
Well, I'd like to suggest that we should decide not to decide
at this time. It is a low-level issue compared to getting the
BCP to a point of consensus and keeping to the schedule for
creating the IASA. As a survivor of many ISOC Board discussions
on such issues, I can tell you we aren't going to c
> Well, I'd like to suggest that we should decide not to decide
> at this time. It is a low-level issue compared to getting the
> BCP to a point of consensus and keeping to the schedule for
> creating the IASA. As a survivor of many ISOC Board discussions
> on such issues, I can tell you we aren't
Brian,
I agree, with respect to the specifics (as I said in my note).
However, a principle should be captured. And, to the extent
we do not yet (apparently) have general agreement on the principle,
we still have work to do.
Though, in general, my thinking this morning has been running
along the li
At 12:12 PM -0500 12/17/04, Leslie Daigle wrote:
Brian,
I agree, with respect to the specifics (as I said in my note).
However, a principle should be captured. And, to the extent
we do not yet (apparently) have general agreement on the principle,
we still have work to do.
Though, in general, my th
"Lynn St.Amour" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Re:
>
>> ISOC shall create and maintain appropriate structures and programs
>> to coordinate donations intended to support the work of the IETF,
>> and these will include mechanisms for both in-kind and direct
>> contributions to the work supported
Tax aspects on donations will, most probaly in many countries, call for
donations to a legally incorporated entity. What is the IETF legal entity I
am to write on the check and then claim for resulting tax benefits for
supporting research. No tax controller will buy that ISOC is an R&D lab.
jfc
"Lynn St.Amour" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> At 5:46 AM -0800 12/13/04, Eric Rescorla wrote:
>>
>>As I read this section, the intention is to ensure that donors
>>who wish their funds to be used by IASA can do so easily, rather
>>than being forced to donate them to ISOC in general. I don't
>>thin
> "Lynn" == Lynn St Amour <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Lynn> over 80% of ISOC's org. members donate less than $10K
Lynn> annually and managing these in a 'restricted accounting
Lynn> manner' requires more effort and overhead. Also,
Lynn> organizations/donors expect recognition
Wijnen, Bert (Bert) wrote:
I am not a real accountant and kind of simple-minded.
So when you say:
"Lynn" == Lynn St Amour <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Lynn> over 80% of ISOC's org. members donate less than $10K
Lynn> annually and managing these in a 'restricted accounting
Lynn> manner' requ
Hi Leslie,
I'm not sure that I understand what you are saying...
I'm not nearly so worried, on that front,
about the small donations front, as I am about the overall
principles of identifying IETF donations and achieving
some model for dependent sustainability.
What do you mean by "dependent sustai
> One nit: There won't really be "IETF donations". All of the fund
> raising will be done through ISOC, so all of the donations will be
> ISOC donations. Some of those donations may be designated to a
> particular ISOC activity (such as the IASA or a particular
> educational or public policy pro
Ted Hardie wrote:
At 12:12 PM -0500 12/17/04, Leslie Daigle wrote:
Brian,
I agree, with respect to the specifics (as I said in my note).
However, a principle should be captured. And, to the extent
we do not yet (apparently) have general agreement on the principle,
we still have work to do.
Though,
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> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Leslie
> Daigle
> Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2004 22:29
> To: Brian E Carpenter
> Cc: ietf@ietf.org; Lynn St.Amour
> Subject: Re: IASA BCP -02 Designated Donations - se
in line...
Wijnen, Bert (Bert) wrote:
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Daigle
Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2004 22:29
To: Brian E Carpenter
Cc: ietf@ietf.org; Lynn St.Amour
Subject: Re: IASA BCP -02 Designated Donations
-02 Designated Donations - section 5.3
Let me try a slightly different cut on the discussion.
1/ I believe the IETF is trying to address the fact we would like
to be able to accept support in chunks that are greater than
individual meeting fees, and less than $100kUS. IMHO,
it'
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