Re: ietf mailing list Acceptable Use Policy

2005-07-25 Thread Susan Harris
I've put together a draft web page that is intended to be usable to any working group mailing list. I'd appreciate review comments on it. It is at: http://mipassoc.org/mass/ietf-list-rules.html Looks good Dave - thanks for doing this. One thing that could be added is info on what is an

Re: ietf mailing list Acceptable Use Policy

2005-07-25 Thread Dave Crocker
But as he said, that page doesn't help us define what makes an ietf list, just lists the ones that are. right. the goal of this particular page is the equivalent of NOTE WELL. It is intended to be used as a way of a priori declarations of list rules, rather than more general aspects of

Re: ietf mailing list Acceptable Use Policy

2005-07-25 Thread JFC (Jefsey) Morfin
At 16:09 25/07/2005, Dave Crocker wrote: But as he said, that page doesn't help us define what makes an ietf list, just lists the ones that are. right. the goal of this particular page is the equivalent of NOTE WELL. It is intended to be used as a way of a priori declarations of list

Re: ietf mailing list Acceptable Use Policy

2005-07-24 Thread Dave Crocker
It would be great to have an IETF-wide, core consensus-based statement on Acceptable Use that new lists could just point to. For working group lists, people point to RFC 2418 (WG guidelines) and RFC 3434 (updates), and for the IETF list, they point to RFC 3005 (IETF list charter). And

Re: Re: ietf mailing list Acceptable Use Policy

2005-07-22 Thread John Loughney
We were faced with this question some time ago, and the result was the creation of the IETF Non-WG mailing lists page, https://datatracker.ietf.org/public/nwg_list.cgi The theory being that if something is listed there, the IETF definitely considers it an IETF list; if it is not listed,

Re: ietf mailing list Acceptable Use Policy

2005-07-21 Thread Brian E Carpenter
One rule of any list policy would be: stick to the subject or change the subject header, I think. Brian JFC (Jefsey) Morfin wrote: Dear Harald, At 01:14 21/07/2005, Harald Tveit Alvestrand wrote: So I resorted to here's what would happen if this was a WG list, and I had the power of the

Re: ietf mailing list Acceptable Use Policy

2005-07-21 Thread Brian E Carpenter
Harald Tveit Alvestrand wrote: --On onsdag, juli 20, 2005 14:49:27 -0700 Dave Crocker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Folks, I am burdening the IETF list with this note because I looked around on the IETF web pages and couldn't find the document or statement that would resolve the point. The

Re: ietf mailing list Acceptable Use Policy

2005-07-21 Thread Harald Tveit Alvestrand
--On 21. juli 2005 12:49 +0200 Brian E Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But when having to evaluate the question for the ietf-languages list a month ago, I did not find a written statement anywhere that said here's how you operate an IETF list that is not a WG list. One of the first items

Re: ietf mailing list Acceptable Use Policy

2005-07-21 Thread Susan Harris
Volunteer in the house? Sure. ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf

Re: ietf mailing list Acceptable Use Policy

2005-07-21 Thread JFC (Jefsey) Morfin
On 12:45 21/07/2005, Brian E Carpenter said: One rule of any list policy would be: stick to the subject or change the subject header, I think. Brian Difficult to know if this is or not the subject. I think it is for two reasons, I might have more precisely documented: 1. There are at least

Re: ietf mailing list Acceptable Use Policy

2005-07-21 Thread Brian E Carpenter
Thanks for the reminder, Harald. Actually that looks very close to what I suggested: subject to IPR rules and relevant to the IETF mission, as judged by an AD. Brian Harald Tveit Alvestrand wrote: --On 21. juli 2005 12:49 +0200 Brian E Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But when

Re: ietf mailing list Acceptable Use Policy

2005-07-20 Thread Harald Tveit Alvestrand
--On onsdag, juli 20, 2005 14:49:27 -0700 Dave Crocker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Folks, I am burdening the IETF list with this note because I looked around on the IETF web pages and couldn't find the document or statement that would resolve the point. The question of acceptable behaviors

Re: ietf mailing list Acceptable Use Policy

2005-07-20 Thread JFC (Jefsey) Morfin
Dear Harald, At 01:14 21/07/2005, Harald Tveit Alvestrand wrote: So I resorted to here's what would happen if this was a WG list, and I had the power of the WG chair to control the list, and because I run the list, I'm going to make it happen. Did you? I will not dispute here the way a