Re: Re[3]: national security

2003-12-07 Thread jfcm
At 00:04 07/12/03, vinton g. cerf wrote: I don't know what jefsey means by "IP zones" I am not from the Cyclades school. May be you know Jean-Louis Grange who now chairs Eurolinc. He worked with Louis when I first met them in 1978. Their zone vision is for them to detail. Louis and I met in 1973

Re: Re[3]: national security

2003-12-06 Thread vinton g. cerf
I don't know what jefsey means by "IP zones" Louis and I met in 1973 and his datagram ideas, sliding window ideas for flow control, influenced my thinking about TCP. Gerard LeLann, who worked in Louis Pouzin's group at IRIA came to Stanford in 1974 to work on the TCP and Internet. IEN 48 refers

Re: Re[3]: national security

2003-12-06 Thread jfcm
At 17:28 05/12/03, John C Klensin wrote: The first "mail" program at MIT, as well as what was probably the the first instance of what we would now call instant messaging, was specified and implemented by Tom Van Vleck and Noel Morris in around 1964 or 65, maybe a bit earlier (I have documentatio

Re: Re[3]: national security

2003-12-05 Thread Kurt Erik Lindqvist
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Note that I did not mean my comment as sarcasm or irony. If I would have, I would have put a ":-)" after it. I didn't. I am a newbie. I am still having déja vu. - - kurtis - On fredag, dec 5, 2003, at 15:35 Europe/Stockholm, jfcm wrote: > At 21:2

Re: Re[3]: national security

2003-12-05 Thread John C Klensin
--On Friday, 05 December, 2003 15:35 +0100 jfcm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: ... But I have Louis Pouzin involved (we both are on Eurolinc BoD) who you may know. He specified the first "mail" program at MIT, the scripts, the end to end datagram, the IP zones (recently Vint recalled the Internet c

Re: Re[3]: national security

2003-12-05 Thread jfcm
At 21:22 02/12/03, Kurt Erik Lindqvist wrote: Hasn't this idea been killed enough? I am a newbie on the Internet (only been here since 1988) and _I_ am fed up with this discussion. Hi! Kurt, did not see that one. I will respond it because it may help you understanding. I am also a newbie as I only

Re: Re[3]: national security

2003-12-02 Thread Kurt Erik Lindqvist
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 > This being said, I note that this thread is only oriented to > prospective numbering issues. May I take from that that none of the > suggested propositions rises any concern ? > > In particular, that there is no problem with two parallel roots file >

Re: Re[3]: national security

2003-11-29 Thread jfcm
Dear John, thank you for your comment even if it does not discuss the "internet national survival kit". I am afraid it continues a qui pro quo where we often say the same thing but from different points of view (not vision). Where you look from inside your technology, and me from a user's point

Re: Re[3]: national security

2003-11-29 Thread John C Klensin
Jefsey, You should also entertain the hypothesis that no one has commented on those issues/suggestions because they are have been discussed too many times before and are inconsistent with the visions that drive the Internet. Some of them have even been the subject of fairly careful evaluation an

Re: Re[3]: national security

2003-11-29 Thread jfcm
At 00:49 29/11/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK.. change "HQ computer" to "www.ANYTHINGBIG.com", and change "enemy" to "random hacker in another country". There's boxes that *have* to be visible to the world because they provide service and connectivity to the outside world - and you can't even han

Re[3]: national security

2003-11-28 Thread jfcm
At 23:20 28/11/03, Anthony G. Atkielski wrote: > I am sure that many security officers or generals would feel unatease if > they known their HQ IPv6 address can be just one unknown bit different from > the IPv6 address of a ennemy computer. Nah ... security officers and generals--if they are compet

Re: Re[3]: national security

2003-11-28 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Fri, 28 Nov 2003 23:20:20 +0100, "Anthony G. Atkielski" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > jfcm writes: > > > I am sure that many security officers or generals would feel unatease if > > they known their HQ IPv6 address can be just one unknown bit different from > > the IPv6 address of a ennemy compu

Re[3]: national security

2003-11-28 Thread Anthony G. Atkielski
jfcm writes: > I am sure that many security officers or generals would feel unatease if > they known their HQ IPv6 address can be just one unknown bit different from > the IPv6 address of a ennemy computer. Nah ... security officers and generals--if they are competent--don't put their HQ computer