Re: Re[4]: national security

2003-11-29 Thread Tim Chown
On Fri, Nov 28, 2003 at 03:15:04PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 28 Nov 2003 20:06:26 +0100, Anthony G. Atkielski [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: 33 bits 8,589,934,592 times as many addresses. At current burn rates, it will take us some 20 years to go through the *current* free IPv4

Re: Re[4]: national security

2003-11-29 Thread shogunx
On Sat, 29 Nov 2003, Tim Chown wrote: On Fri, Nov 28, 2003 at 03:15:04PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 28 Nov 2003 20:06:26 +0100, Anthony G. Atkielski [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: 33 bits 8,589,934,592 times as many addresses. At current burn rates, it will take us some

Re: Re[4]: national security

2003-11-29 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Sat, 29 Nov 2003 22:17:41 GMT, Tim Chown [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: The at current burn rate assumption is far from safe though... Oh? Have any better-than-handwaving reasons to suspect the current allocation rate will change drastically? I don't forsee the cellphone or embedded markets taking

RE: Re[4]: national security

2003-11-29 Thread shogunx
Michel, The organization has 800 hosts, all behind NAT (they have PA space, NAT is there for renumbering ease), and there is only a small fraction of servers that have one-to-one NAT and therefore require a public IP per host. In your average 800 hosts network (if such a thing exists) it

Re[4]: national security

2003-11-28 Thread Anthony G. Atkielski
Iljitsch van Beijnum writes: I guess not because I have no idea what you're talking about. There is a natural tendency to think that by dividing a 128-bit address field into two 64-bit fields, the address space is cut in half (or perhaps not diminished at all). However, in reality, dividing

Re[4]: national security

2003-11-28 Thread Donald Eastlake 3rd
+1-508-634-2066(h) +1-508-786-7554(w) Milford, MA 01757 USA [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Fri, 28 Nov 2003, Anthony G. Atkielski wrote: Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 14:47:41 +0100 From: Anthony G. Atkielski [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: IETF Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re[4

Re: Re[4]: national security

2003-11-28 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On 28-nov-03, at 14:47, Anthony G. Atkielski wrote: I guess not because I have no idea what you're talking about. There is a natural tendency to think that by dividing a 128-bit address field into two 64-bit fields, the address space is cut in half (or perhaps not diminished at all). Ah, I see

Re[4]: national security

2003-11-28 Thread Anthony G. Atkielski
Spencer Dawkins writes: Well, sure. And then you do routing aggregation how? I was describing the simplest scheme that ensures use of the entire address space, nothing more. I also deplore the waste of bits, and would love to hear alternatives... I've described alternatives before, but

Re[4]: national security

2003-11-28 Thread Anthony G. Atkielski
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Exactly. And the *reason* why IPv6 has 128 bit addresses is because the designers realized that such losses happen ... Such losses don't just happen. They are the result of incompetent engineering.

Re[4]: national security

2003-11-28 Thread Anthony G. Atkielski
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Exactly. And the *reason* why IPv6 has 128 bit addresses is because the designers realized that such losses happen, and ruled out 64-bit addresses because of that effect. Since those losses are not significantly diminished by doubling the address length, why bother?

Re: Re[4]: national security

2003-11-28 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Fri, 28 Nov 2003 20:06:26 +0100, Anthony G. Atkielski [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: 33 bits 8,589,934,592 times as many addresses. At current burn rates, it will take us some 20 years to go through the *current* free IPv4 space. And nobody's proposed any killer app that will take millions of

Re: Re[4]: national security

2003-11-28 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Fri, 28 Nov 2003 18:40:53 +0100, Iljitsch van Beijnum said: a /48 further deminishes the available bits. The situation is most notable in the case of a home user, who would get a single IPv4 address but gets a /48 in IPv6. So we've quadrupled our address space (in bits) for a 50%