Re: Re[8]: www.isoc.org unreachable when ECN is used

2003-12-15 Thread Mark Smith
On Mon, 15 Dec 2003 08:19:15 +0100 "Anthony G. Atkielski" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Mark Smith writes: > > > So what purpose do RFCs serve if they aren't specific enough to be > > complied with ? > > They can easily be complied with and yet still be general. It's just > that there may be arg

Re[8]: www.isoc.org unreachable when ECN is used

2003-12-15 Thread Anthony G. Atkielski
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Microsoft knows better than the RFC? No. > Microsoft knows better than to implement RFCs so everybody can benefit? No. > I'm not sure that either parsing is what you want to be claiming. Good. I was saying that Microsoft knows better than to make claims such as yo

Re[8]: www.isoc.org unreachable when ECN is used

2003-12-15 Thread Anthony G. Atkielski
Mark Smith writes: > So what purpose do RFCs serve if they aren't specific enough to be > complied with ? They can easily be complied with and yet still be general. It's just that there may be argument as to what constitutes perfect compliance or lack thereof, and it isn't generally possible to

Re: Re[8]: www.isoc.org unreachable when ECN is used

2003-12-12 Thread James M Galvin
On Fri, 12 Dec 2003, Franck Martin wrote: The problem is that ISOC firewalls are not up to standards. Can someone go to knock on ISOC door in Virginia and propose to help them to solve this particular problem. And take some pictures too, I'm curious to see what they really have...

Re: Re[8]: www.isoc.org unreachable when ECN is used

2003-12-12 Thread Spencer Dawkins
> > Except that a change from default values can be an excellent indicator > that you are dealing with a software version different from what you > expected (and possibly incompatible). > > > I can't remember exactly where I saw the > > definition, I've understood reserved fields to mean "could cha

Re: Re[8]: www.isoc.org unreachable when ECN is used

2003-12-11 Thread Franck Martin
Back to Reality: The problem is that ISOC firewalls are not up to standards. Can someone go to knock on ISOC door in Virginia and propose to help them to solve this particular problem. And take some pictures too, I'm curious to see what they really have... This list is full of propeller heads, so

Re[8]: www.isoc.org unreachable when ECN is used

2003-12-11 Thread Anthony G. Atkielski
Theodore Ts'o writes: > What Linux implemented was specifically what was specified by RFC > 3168, no more no less. What FreeBSD implemented actually works. Which is preferable? > The issue is whether or not intermediate hosts are > justified in dropping packets just because some > bits that wer

Re[8]: www.isoc.org unreachable when ECN is used

2003-12-11 Thread Anthony G. Atkielski
Mark Smith writes: > Firewalls could be considered to be performing QA for defined > protocol fields. I agree that reserved fields shouldn't be "QA"'ed for > their default values. Except that a change from default values can be an excellent indicator that you are dealing with a software version d