Re: Review panel's role

2005-08-09 Thread Brian E Carpenter
Spencer Dawkins wrote: I think it would be useful to analyze the nature of current DISCUSS comments before drawing conclusions from the 70% figure. They apparently range from simple typos (expand acronyms) to differences of opinion (WG chose X, AD prefers Y; both X and Y are at least

Review panel's role

2005-08-04 Thread Pekka Savola
On Thu, 4 Aug 2005, John C Klensin wrote: (2) Several comments, during and after the discussion and most precisely framed by Spencer Dawkins, that I may have made an incorrect assumption about transition. The text more or less assumes that the review panel membership would be new and the IESG

Re: Review panel's role

2005-08-04 Thread Spencer Dawkins
Speaking only for myself, and at the slogan level, I'm troubled with the assumption that the review panel rejection is A Big Deal. This has unstated assumptions on what kind of people you'd expect to be on the review panel and/or what kind of review is expected. As an occasional reviewer

Re: Review panel's role

2005-08-04 Thread Henning Schulzrinne
I think it would be useful to analyze the nature of current DISCUSS comments before drawing conclusions from the 70% figure. They apparently range from simple typos (expand acronyms) to differences of opinion (WG chose X, AD prefers Y; both X and Y are at least plausible) to adding various

Re: Review panel's role

2005-08-04 Thread Spencer Dawkins
I think it would be useful to analyze the nature of current DISCUSS comments before drawing conclusions from the 70% figure. They apparently range from simple typos (expand acronyms) to differences of opinion (WG chose X, AD prefers Y; both X and Y are at least plausible) to adding various

Re: Review panel's role

2005-08-04 Thread Pekka Savola
On Thu, 4 Aug 2005, Spencer Dawkins wrote: My point is that each of these DISCUSSes kept a specification from being approved for at least one two-week telechat cycle. I believe, in the absence of data, that adding delays to a project makes it easier to stretch out other delays, so two weeks is

Re: Review panel's role

2005-08-04 Thread John C Klensin
Two observations, just my opinion... --On Thursday, August 04, 2005 15:18 +0200 Spencer Dawkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think it would be useful to analyze the nature of current DISCUSS comments before drawing conclusions from the 70% figure. They apparently range from simple typos

Re: Review panel's role

2005-08-04 Thread Spencer Dawkins
Hi, Pekka, I rarely if ever argue with you about protocol stuff, because you're pretty good at protocols, and our process IS a protocol, but I do see returned to clear DISCUSS items on the IESG telechat agendas. So, I bet you're right, but there is running code that we actually DO end up

Re: Review panel's role

2005-08-04 Thread Pekka Savola
On Thu, 4 Aug 2005, Spencer Dawkins wrote: I rarely if ever argue with you about protocol stuff, because you're pretty good at protocols, and our process IS a protocol, but I do see returned to clear DISCUSS items on the IESG telechat agendas. So, I bet you're right, but there is running code

Re: Review panel's role

2005-08-04 Thread Harald Tveit Alvestrand
(note is long - summary: Review panel SHOULD, in my opinion, be able to send back documents to WG without it being a Big Deal. At least once.) --On 4. august 2005 09:08 -0400 Henning Schulzrinne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think it would be useful to analyze the nature of current DISCUSS

Re: Review panel's role

2005-08-04 Thread Spencer Dawkins
Dear Harald, I agree, with one edit - s/to WG/to WG early in the process/. (note is long - summary: Review panel SHOULD, in my opinion, be able to send back documents to WG without it being a Big Deal. At least once.) The part where I stroke out about us continuing to think that documents

Re: Review panel's role

2005-08-04 Thread Steven M. Bellovin
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Spencer Dawkins writes: Hi, Pekka, I rarely if ever argue with you about protocol stuff, because you're pretty good at protocols, and our process IS a protocol, but I do see returned to clear DISCUSS items on the IESG telechat agendas. So, I bet you're right, but