Re: Revised Last Call: 'SSH Transport Layer Encryption Modes' to Proposed

2005-08-29 Thread Pekka Savola
On Thu, 25 Aug 2005, Bill Sommerfeld wrote: [normative specification is in the RFC series, vs. somewhere else and just copied or described in an info/exp RFC] At least to me, these two categories should be treated differently. Can you explain why? Cryptographic algorithms are, in general, har

Re: Revised Last Call: 'SSH Transport Layer Encryption Modes' to Proposed

2005-08-25 Thread Harald Tveit Alvestrand
--On 24. august 2005 17:24 -0400 Sam Hartman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: iesg> It is customary to include normative references to iesg> informational documents describing cryptographic algorithms. iesg> However the procedures of RFC 3967 require that this iesg> normative referen

Re: Revised Last Call: 'SSH Transport Layer Encryption Modes' to Proposed

2005-08-25 Thread Bill Sommerfeld
On Thu, 2005-08-25 at 06:48, Pekka Savola wrote: > I think there needs to be separation of two different kinds of > documents, > > 1) informational, because the normative specification is elsewhere > (usually another standards organization) and we could reference the > normative spec directly

Re: Revised Last Call: 'SSH Transport Layer Encryption Modes' to Proposed

2005-08-24 Thread Pekka Savola
On Wed, 24 Aug 2005, Bill Sommerfeld wrote: In particular, there is a long-established tradition of specifying cryptographic algorithms as "Informational" documents, and referring to them from standards-track documents. I think there needs to be separation of two different kinds of documents,

Re: Revised Last Call: 'SSH Transport Layer Encryption Modes' to Proposed

2005-08-24 Thread Sam Hartman
> "John" == John C Klensin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: John> --On Wednesday, August 24, 2005 17:24 -0400 Sam Hartman John> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> "iesg" == The IESG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> iesg> This last call is being reissued because this >> docume

Re: Revised Last Call: 'SSH Transport Layer Encryption Modes' to Proposed

2005-08-24 Thread Bill Sommerfeld
On Wed, 2005-08-24 at 19:14, John C Klensin wrote: > Even if one believes that it is desirable, 3967 already weakens > traditional norms for documents on the IETF standards track. A > suggestion that further weakening is needed definitely calls for > some discussion, at least IMO. There is con

Re: Revised Last Call: 'SSH Transport Layer Encryption Modes' to Proposed

2005-08-24 Thread John C Klensin
--On Wednesday, August 24, 2005 17:24 -0400 Sam Hartman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: "iesg" == The IESG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: iesg> This last call is being reissued because this document iesg> contains a normative reference to an informational RFC: iesg> RFC 2144 The CAST-

Re: Revised Last Call: 'SSH Transport Layer Encryption Modes' to Proposed

2005-08-24 Thread Sam Hartman
> "iesg" == The IESG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: iesg> This last call is being reissued because this document iesg> contains a normative reference to an informational RFC: iesg> RFC 2144 The CAST-128 Encryption Algorithm. C. Adams. May iesg> 1997. iesg> It is customary to