Scenario O Re: Upcoming: further thoughts on where from here

2004-09-20 Thread Leslie Daigle
Following up on my note from this morning... Leslie Daigle wrote: Accordingly, some people volunteered to write down some text for each, drawing on and extending Carl's documents. The outcome of that writing exercise will be circulated here later today -- i.e., a note describing a possible implem

Re: Scenario O Re: Upcoming: further thoughts on where from here

2004-09-22 Thread Brian E Carpenter
Leslie and Harald somewhat challenged me in private to review Scenario O more deeply, to indicate the bits of it that may need more work - since otherwise we might miss showstoppers. So I have sone so, below, but with the proviso that this is the scenario I prefer - so my comments should be taken i

Re: Scenario O Re: Upcoming: further thoughts on where from here

2004-09-22 Thread Sam Hartman
I'd like to express general support for scenario O. I probably will not have time to read the document in sufficient detail to agree with every point, but this looks like a good direction. --Sam ___ Ietf mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www1.ie

RE: Scenario O Re: Upcoming: further thoughts on where from here

2004-09-23 Thread Tony Hain
Some comments: 2.1.4 - 6 months for the reserve is a funny number for an organization where the nominal income period is 4 months. Wouldn't it make more sense to spell out a reserve that covered a disaster case of a canceled meeting after the contracts had been signed? Something like: Also, in nor

Re: Scenario O Re: Upcoming: further thoughts on where from here

2004-09-23 Thread Joel M. Halpern
I think that this (scenario 0) is the right approach to follow. It appears to me to be the lowest risk path consistent with the needs that have been identified. Two minor comments: 1) The references to "the IASF bank account" should probably be relaxed to "IASF fund accounts" or "IASF accounts

RE: Scenario O Re: Upcoming: further thoughts on where from here

2004-09-23 Thread Margaret Wasserman
Hi Tony, Great feedback. Thanks! A few comments in-line: At 1:08 AM -0700 9/23/04, Tony Hain wrote: 2.1.4 - 6 months for the reserve is a funny number for an organization where the nominal income period is 4 months. Wouldn't it make more sense to spell out a reserve that covered a disaster case o

RE: Scenario O Re: Upcoming: further thoughts on where from here

2004-09-23 Thread Wijnen, Bert (Bert)
Joel M. Halpern [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 16:35 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Scenario O Re: Upcoming: further thoughts on where from > here > > > I think that this (scenario 0) is the right approach to > follow. It appears >

RE: Scenario O Re: Upcoming: further thoughts on where from here

2004-09-23 Thread Joel M. Halpern
age- > From: Joel M. Halpern [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 16:35 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Scenario O Re: Upcoming: further thoughts on where from > here > > > I think that this (scenario 0) is the right approach to > follow.

RE: Scenario O Re: Upcoming: further thoughts on where from here

2004-09-23 Thread Wijnen, Bert (Bert)
> At 1:08 AM -0700 9/23/04, Tony Hain wrote: > >2.1.4 - 6 months for the reserve is a funny number for an organization where > >the nominal income period is 4 months. Wouldn't it make more sense to spell > >out a reserve that covered a disaster case of a canceled meeting after the > >contracts had

Re: Scenario O Re: Upcoming: further thoughts on where from here

2004-09-23 Thread Margaret Wasserman
Hi Joel, At 10:35 AM -0400 9/23/04, Joel M. Halpern wrote: Two minor comments: 1) The references to "the IASF bank account" should probably be relaxed to "IASF fund accounts" or "IASF accounts". As written, it presumes that there is exactly one bank account, and that separation of funds is by b

Re: Scenario O Re: Upcoming: further thoughts on where from here

2004-09-23 Thread Harald Tveit Alvestrand
--On 23. september 2004 10:35 -0400 "Joel M. Halpern" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 2) The schedule calls for seating the IAOC on January 15, and hiring the IAD by the end of January. Given that the search committee can not be appointed until the board is seated, it seems that item is either an im

RE: Scenario O Re: Upcoming: further thoughts on where from here

2004-09-23 Thread John C Klensin
--On Thursday, 23 September, 2004 11:09 -0400 Margaret Wasserman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >... > Given that the schedule has the interim IAOC formed in > November and the IAD hired in January, I think that this may > be reasonable. The interim IAOC would be hard put to organize > themselves a

RE: Scenario O Re: Upcoming: further thoughts on where from here

2004-09-23 Thread John C Klensin
--On Thursday, 23 September, 2004 11:09 -0400 Margaret Wasserman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >... > Given that the schedule has the interim IAOC formed in > November and the IAD hired in January, I think that this may > be reasonable. The interim IAOC would be hard put to organize > themselves a

RE: Scenario O Re: Upcoming: further thoughts on where from here

2004-09-23 Thread scott bradner
> But I bet not for tragic events like terrorist strikes/threats or war related > issues. So setting up some reserves of our own seems better to me. those options are not exclusive it's a very good idea to have reserves, its also a good idea to explore event cancellation insurance Scott __

RE: Scenario O Re: Upcoming: further thoughts on where from here

2004-09-23 Thread Wijnen, Bert (Bert)
> > But I bet not for tragic events like terrorist strikes/threats or war related > > issues. So setting up some reserves of our own seems better to me. > > those options are not exclusive > > it's a very good idea to have reserves, its also a good idea to > explore event cancellation insurance

RE: Scenario O Re: Upcoming: further thoughts on where from here

2004-09-23 Thread Tony Hain
Margaret Wasserman wrote: ... > >2.3 Budget - > >> The specific timeline will be established each year, before the > >> second IETF meeting. > > > >Wouldn't it be cleaner to just specify that the budget process will be > >completed in the first half of the calendar year? That would be mor

RE: Scenario O Re: Upcoming: further thoughts on where from here

2004-09-24 Thread Jeffrey Hutzelman
On Thursday, September 23, 2004 22:17:14 -0700 Tony Hain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Well the I-D Editor is a fundamental cornerstone in our document process, and therefore deserves to be explicit. Personally I don't have a problem with moving the function to better align with the RFC Editor's off

RE: Scenario O Re: Upcoming: further thoughts on where from here

2004-09-26 Thread Christian de Larrinaga
Scenario O promises a distinctive IETF administrative entity within ISOC's legal framework. The problems establishing a directly IETF controlled entity emerge from the informality and porous boundaries of the IETF. It is perfectly possible to resolve these but it will take a lot of time and effor