Re: what is a wg chair's job was: Simplistic metrics Re: WG management

2005-06-22 Thread JFC (Jefsey) Morfin
At 12:58 22/06/2005, Tom Petch wrote: For me, this list of items misses the point of having a chair, which IMO is to focus the discussion, the work, on the tasks in hand, so that they get done in a timely fashion. A chair should start from the Charter and make sure it is well and consensuall

Re: Simplistic metrics Re: WG management

2005-06-22 Thread Harald Tveit Alvestrand
--On 21. juni 2005 12:16 -0400 John Leslie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: if a WG chair has posted nothing to the WG mailing list for a week, and that WG chair has not told the WG he's on holiday, that WG chair is probably not doing his/her job. Much though I remain a staunch fan of Harald, I

Re: what is a wg chair's job was: Simplistic metrics Re: WG management

2005-06-22 Thread Tom Petch
- Original Message - From: "John Loughney" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Harald Tveit Alvestrand" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 11:47 PM Subject: what is a wg chair's job was: Simplistic metrics Re: WG management > Harald, > >

what is a wg chair's job was: Simplistic metrics Re: WG management

2005-06-21 Thread John Loughney
and discussing things frequently, even chair reviews by the IESGs (say once a year) and maybe even joint wg status reviews. John L. _ Original message _ Subject: Simplistic metrics Re: WG management Author: "Harald Tveit Alvestrand" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date:

Re: Simplistic metrics Re: WG management

2005-06-21 Thread John Leslie
Harald Tveit Alvestrand <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Let me offer a simplistic metric. > > if a WG chair has posted nothing to the WG mailing list for a week, and > that WG chair has not told the WG he's on holiday, that WG chair is > probably not doing his/her job. Much though I rema

Re: Simplistic metrics Re: WG management

2005-06-21 Thread Soininen Jonne (Nokia-NET/Helsinki)
Hi, I agree with Joel. Though, the metric is simple (and in that regard possibly good to track) I believe it measures the wrong thing. I think that if the WG does work and there is no need for drawing conclusions on the WG mailing list, or the WG chair has chosen not to contribute technically - po

Re: Simplistic metrics Re: WG management

2005-06-21 Thread Joel M. Halpern
Actually, based on experience in effective and ineffective working groups, I don't think the 1 week (or even two weeks) suggested below is a reasonable measure of activity. When I was a WG chair, there were often multi-week periods when I did not post anything to the list. Sometimes this was

Simplistic metrics Re: WG management

2005-06-21 Thread Harald Tveit Alvestrand
--On 20. juni 2005 07:39 -0500 Spencer Dawkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Two related problems here, as you pointed out in another posting - when the WG is only active for six weeks per year, and when the WG chair is only active for nine weeks per year. I don't see how we can focus on this w