Re: The Internet and the Law, the Economist, 13-19 January 2001

2001-01-16 Thread Keith Moore
> Exactly. Even in this day and age, 56k modems get reset for any > multitude of reasons. > > And although it would be *nice* if I had a static IP and thus my > connections persisted across a PPP reset (which I've had before, and > it *is* nice), it's in general not a scalable answer for modem po

Re: The Internet and the Law, the Economist, 13-19 January 2001

2001-01-16 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Tue, 16 Jan 2001 22:02:04 EST, Keith Moore said: > > Well, in the dialup example given, his IP address would be constant > > within a session, just not constant across sessions. > > true. and if the dialup host only had intermittent connectivity anyway, > having the DNS name dynamically bound

Re: The Internet and the Law, the Economist, 13-19 January 2001

2001-01-16 Thread Keith Moore
> Well, in the dialup example given, his IP address would be constant > within a session, just not constant across sessions. true. and if the dialup host only had intermittent connectivity anyway, having the DNS name dynamically bound to the IP address (when the host is connected) is about as go

Re: The Internet and the Law, the Economist, 13-19 January 2001

2001-01-16 Thread Stephen Sprunk
Thus spake "Keith Moore" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > And then there's the cases where you don't care WHAT your IP > > address is, as long as your hostname is stable. > > perhaps. but that assumes a particular set of applications that don't > need connections of long duration. Well, in the dialup exa

Re: The Internet and the Law, the Economist, 13-19 January 2001

2001-01-16 Thread Eric Brunner-Williams in Portland Maine
I trust we will get a quick "hum" to the proposition that "truncating" the v4addr to a /25 does not, in a dhcp, or in a static address regime, offer a great deal of "privacy enhancement", given the effectiveness of profiling and the sparsity of "like browsing sequences" at any collection moment.

Re: The Internet and the Law, the Economist, 13-19 January 2001

2001-01-16 Thread Jon Crowcroft
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Garrett Wollman typed : >>Which is, of course, how anonymizing services achieve most of their >>value. If only one person is using an anonymizer, then they are still >>effectively traceable. If, on the other hand, that one person is >>mixed in with 140,000 o

Re: The Internet and the Law, the Economist, 13-19 January 2001

2001-01-16 Thread Keith Moore
> And then there's the cases where you don't care WHAT your IP address is, > as long as your hostname is stable. perhaps. but that assumes a particular set of applications that don't need connections of long duration. Keith

Re: The Internet and the Law, the Economist, 13-19 January 2001

2001-01-16 Thread Garrett Wollman
< said: > If such databases existed, I'd want as many people as possible using > my ethernet address. It makes for plenty of reasonable doubt and > plausible deniability. Which is, of course, how anonymizing services achieve most of their value. If only one person is using an anonymizer, then

Re: The Internet and the Law, the Economist, 13-19 January 2001

2001-01-16 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Mon, 15 Jan 2001 14:28:07 EST, Keith Moore said: > Also, the risk of having your machine serial number leaked to the > net (as in stateless address autoconfiguration) is subtly different > from the inherent risk of having a stable IP address. One might > quite reasonably be willing to accept t

Re: The Internet and the Law, the Economist, 13-19 January 2001

2001-01-16 Thread Brian E Carpenter
Greg Minshall wrote: > > Brian, > > i'm a big proponent of autoconfiguring using ethernet addresses, as well as in > stable IPv{4,6} addresses. > > however ... > > > Mine is 004096333cf6; feel free to sell this number to the highest bidder :-) > > i wonder if you would be so quick to offer up

Re: The Internet and the Law, the Economist, 13-19 January 2001

2001-01-16 Thread Harald Alvestrand
At 10:17 15/01/2001 -0800, Charles E. Perkins wrote: >It seems to me that Mobile IPv6 could go a long way towards >solving this problem, in conjunction with some sort of automatic >home address assignment capability. you mean like draft-nikander-mobileip-homelessv6-00.txt? -- Harald Tveit Alves

Re: The Internet and the Law, the Economist, 13-19 January 2001

2001-01-16 Thread Francis Dupont
In your previous mail you wrote: It seems to me that Mobile IPv6 could go a long way towards solving this problem, in conjunction with some sort of automatic home address assignment capability. ... Crucial to effective operation, however, will be the ability to set up tempor

Re: The Internet and the Law, the Economist, 13-19 January 2001

2001-01-16 Thread Marc Horowitz
Greg Minshall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> i wonder if you would be so quick to offer up your ethernet address >> if there existed databases of accesses to various web sites (porn, >> say, or employment agencies, or ...) keyed by ethernet address. If such databases existed, I'd want as many pe

Re: The Internet and the Law, the Economist, 13-19 January 2001

2001-01-15 Thread Greg Minshall
Brian, i'm a big proponent of autoconfiguring using ethernet addresses, as well as in stable IPv{4,6} addresses. however ... > Mine is 004096333cf6; feel free to sell this number to the highest bidder :-) i wonder if you would be so quick to offer up your ethernet address if there existed da

Re: The Internet and the Law, the Economist, 13-19 January 2001

2001-01-15 Thread Perry E. Metzger
Brian E Carpenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Keith Moore wrote: > ... > > Also, the risk of having your machine serial number leaked to the > > net (as in stateless address autoconfiguration) is subtly different > > from the inherent risk of having a stable IP address. One might > > quite rea

Re: The Internet and the Law, the Economist, 13-19 January 2001

2001-01-15 Thread Brian E Carpenter
Keith Moore wrote: ... > Also, the risk of having your machine serial number leaked to the > net (as in stateless address autoconfiguration) is subtly different > from the inherent risk of having a stable IP address. One might > quite reasonably be willing to accept the latter but not the former.

Re: The Internet and the Law, the Economist, 13-19 January 2001

2001-01-15 Thread Keith Moore
> I will say however that I concur with the comment in ยง4 ibid., "The > desires of protecting individual privacy vs. the desire to effectively > maintain and debug a network can conflict with each other."It will > be interesting to see how the IPv6 architecture will evolve now > that these iss

RE: The Internet and the Law, the Economist, 13-19 January 2001

2001-01-15 Thread Christian Huitema
It is very clear that the best way to actually maintain anonymity is to use the "tunnelling" solution, i.e. relay you requests through an anonymizing proxy. This is true for both IPv6 and IPv4. Indeed, the catch is that the provided anonymity is only as good as the anonymizer. The business of runn

Re: The Internet and the Law, the Economist, 13-19 January 2001

2001-01-15 Thread Charles E. Perkins
Hello, It seems to me that Mobile IPv6 could go a long way towards solving this problem, in conjunction with some sort of automatic home address assignment capability. This topic has been already discussed in connection with the need to support automatic renumbering. Further work could be done

Re: The Internet and the Law, the Economist, 13-19 January 2001

2001-01-15 Thread Steven M. Bellovin
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Brian E Carpenter writes: >Sean, re the IPv6 myth propagated in this article, see >http://playground.sun.com/ipng/specs/ipv6-address-privacy.html > > Brian > > Also note that the Narten draft cited on that Web page has been approved by the IESG. -

Re: The Internet and the Law, the Economist, 13-19 January 2001

2001-01-15 Thread Sean Doran
| Sean, re the IPv6 myth propagated in this article, see | http://playground.sun.com/ipng/specs/ipv6-address-privacy.html Yes, this solves the lower-8-bytes in a notional 8+8, in the sense that it is an identifier of "who", but the draft in question does not seem to deal with the nature of the "

Re: The Internet and the Law, the Economist, 13-19 January 2001

2001-01-15 Thread Brian E Carpenter
Sean, re the IPv6 myth propagated in this article, see http://playground.sun.com/ipng/specs/ipv6-address-privacy.html Brian

The Internet and the Law, the Economist, 13-19 January 2001

2001-01-15 Thread Sean Doran
This is an interesting article to read. Some highlights: "[Websites can block users] by employing the same technology that serves up tailored banner advertisements to visitors from another country. They track the Internet service provider's "IP address", the number that identifies co