RE: Time in the Air

2013-06-04 Thread Dearlove, Christopher (UK)
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RE: Time in the Air

2013-06-03 Thread Dearlove, Christopher (UK)
Lloyd Wood > quiet time on a plane can be productive time. Economy class or something better? -- Christopher Dearlove Senior Principal Engineer, Communications Group Communications, Networks and Image Analysis Capability BAE Systems Advanced Technology Centre West Hanningfield Road, Great Baddow

Re: [IETF] RE: Time in the Air

2013-06-03 Thread Dick Franks
On 31 May 2013 20:56, Carlos M. Martinez wrote: > You are right, Wellington is almost 7 degrees south of Montevideo, > although I hope it's better served by airlines :D > also nearer the equator than most of Europe; a geographical fact of life that has been conveniently ignored in the discussion

Re: Time in the Air

2013-06-02 Thread Yoav Nir
On Jun 2, 2013, at 10:38 AM, l.w...@surrey.ac.uk wrote: > "Always Europe gets better results because it is the favoriate > meeting-location for ALL > businesses" > > {{citation needed}} Here you go: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edsel_Citation (idea taken from http://what-if.xkcd.com/47/ - is

RE: Time in the Air

2013-06-02 Thread l.wood
am Baryun [abdussalambar...@gmail.com] Sent: 01 June 2013 11:18 To: Mark Nottingham Cc: ietf Discussion Subject: Re: Time in the Air Thanks Mark, This is very interesting results, it is ok if not 100% correct which I think the error can be less than 10%, but I may have different analysis of results. You

Re: Time in the Air

2013-06-01 Thread Abdussalam Baryun
Thanks Mark, This is very interesting results, it is ok if not 100% correct which I think the error can be less than 10%, but I may have different analysis of results. You concluded that homes in Europe had better shortest distances to IETF meetings (assuming that thoes homes have full participati

Re: Time in the Air

2013-05-31 Thread Ted Lemon
On May 31, 2013, at 8:49 PM, Randy Bush wrote: > i too, but tokyo. induce. answer, remote participation. i hope that a > decade from now many of us will not need to fly. We could just always meet in Tokyo. I'd be down with that... :)

Re: Time in the Air

2013-05-31 Thread Ted Lemon
On May 31, 2013, at 4:32 PM, Elwyn Davies mailto:elw...@dial.pipex.com>> wrote: Don't they use the ADs (Area Drones) controlled from the IESG bunker? Nope, ADs are autonomous.

Re: Time in the Air

2013-05-31 Thread Randy Bush
> Heavens no. All meetings should be in Santa Barbara, so I don't have > to board an airplane at all. i too, but tokyo. induce. answer, remote participation. i hope that a decade from now many of us will not need to fly. randy

Re: Time in the Air

2013-05-31 Thread Fred Baker (fred)
On May 31, 2013, at 7:03 AM, l.w...@surrey.ac.uk wrote: > clearly, all IETF meetings should be in Cape Town, Wellington, or Perth, > because more time in the air means more time without interruption where > drafts can be read before the meeting. Heavens no. All meetings should be

Re: Time in the Air

2013-05-31 Thread Mark Nottingham
... and now, looking forward to our announced upcoming meeting locations (just the shortest route numbers, not great circle): LHR 145:30 // London JFK 150:20 // New York SFO 155:54 // San Francisco FRA 156:08 // Frankfurt ATL 158:10 // Atlanta BOS 159:34 // Boston ANC 181:56 // Anch

Re: Time in the Air

2013-05-31 Thread Mark Nottingham
On 31/05/2013, at 7:59 PM, Mark Nottingham wrote: > SFO 204:10 282:04 // San Francisco > BOS 197:42 297:38 // Boston > ATL 205:44 297:28 // Atlanta > ANC 197:12 345:54 // Anchorage > LHR 198:02 249:44 // London > FRA 202:10 255:22 // Frankfurt > FCO 223:52 283:04 // Rome > S

Re: Time in the Air

2013-05-31 Thread Elwyn Davies
On 31/05/13 20:18, Scott Brim wrote: On Friday, May 31, 2013, Dave Crocker wrote: On 5/31/2013 8:12 PM, Scott Brim wrote: We'll have multiple airships, one for each set of related meeting rooms. is dirigible a new term of endearment for an AD? Obviously the ADs have

Re: [IETF] RE: Time in the Air

2013-05-31 Thread Carlos M. Martinez
You are right, Wellington is almost 7 degrees south of Montevideo, although I hope it's better served by airlines :D cheers! ~C. On 5/31/13 3:24 PM, Jorge Amodio wrote: > >> Completely off-topic too, but since I live in the southernmost capital >> city of the world, and certainly not the best s

Re: Time in the Air

2013-05-31 Thread joel jaeggli
On 5/31/13 12:18 PM, Scott Brim wrote: On Friday, May 31, 2013, Dave Crocker wrote: On 5/31/2013 8:12 PM, Scott Brim wrote: We'll have multiple airships, one for each set of related meeting rooms. is dirigible a new term of endearment for an AD? Obviously the ADs ha

Re: Time in the Air

2013-05-31 Thread Scott Brim
On Friday, May 31, 2013, Dave Crocker wrote: > On 5/31/2013 8:12 PM, Scott Brim wrote: > >> We'll have multiple airships, one for each set of related meeting rooms. >> > > > is dirigible a new term of endearment for an AD? > Obviously the ADs have a small helicopter so they can get between dirigi

Re: Time in the Air

2013-05-31 Thread Dave Crocker
On 5/31/2013 8:12 PM, Scott Brim wrote: We'll have multiple airships, one for each set of related meeting rooms. is dirigible a new term of endearment for an AD? d/ -- Dave Crocker Brandenburg InternetWorking bbiw.net

Re: [IETF] RE: Time in the Air

2013-05-31 Thread Carlos M. Martinez
ote: > > On May 31, 2013, at 10:03 AM, wrote: > >> clearly, all IETF meetings should be in Cape Town, Wellington, or Perth, >> because more time in the air means more time without interruption where >> drafts can be read before the meeting. >> >> quiet time

Re: [IETF] RE: Time in the Air

2013-05-31 Thread Jorge Amodio
> Completely off-topic too, but since I live in the southernmost capital > city of the world, and certainly not the best served by airlines When you moved to NZ ? ;-) -J

Re: Time in the Air

2013-05-31 Thread Scott Brim
If people are interested, we could launch a new service: dirigible tours with Internet access. We'll have multiple airships, one for each set of related meeting rooms. Of course we'll have audio, jabber and all the virtualization tools we have today. We'll amble along at some moderate speed, doc

Re: [IETF] RE: Time in the Air

2013-05-31 Thread Warren Kumari
On May 31, 2013, at 10:03 AM, wrote: > clearly, all IETF meetings should be in Cape Town, Wellington, or Perth, > because more time in the air means more time without interruption where > drafts can be read before the meeting. > > quiet time on a plane can be productive ti

Re: Time in the Air

2013-05-31 Thread Ted Lemon
On May 31, 2013, at 10:18 AM, Riccardo Bernardini wrote: > Then I would suggest Antarctica as permanent location for future IETF > meetings. :-) Maybe the only drawback is hotel availability, but > nothing that a handful of tents and sleeping bags cannot cure... > Also, penguins are cute :-) Thi

Re: Time in the Air

2013-05-31 Thread Riccardo Bernardini
On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 4:03 PM, wrote: > clearly, all IETF meetings should be in Cape Town, Wellington, or Perth, > because more time in the air means more time without interruption where > drafts can be read before the meeting. > > quiet time on a plane can be productive time

RE: Time in the Air

2013-05-31 Thread l.wood
clearly, all IETF meetings should be in Cape Town, Wellington, or Perth, because more time in the air means more time without interruption where drafts can be read before the meeting. quiet time on a plane can be productive time. Lloyd Wood http://sat-net.com/L.Wood

Re: Time in the Air

2013-05-31 Thread Dave Cridland
On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 1:38 PM, Carsten Bormann wrote: > Of course, this doesn't include time-to-airport, so you can immediately > discount London. > Well, you say that, but I now know why Alexey moved from Moscow to Kingston (40 minutes to LHR on the X26). Dave.

Re: Time in the Air

2013-05-31 Thread Carsten Bormann
Wow, that's real science at work... Sorting by the relevant column (I don't own a private jet): > LHR 249:44 // London > FRA 255:22 // Frankfurt > SFO 282:04 // San Francisco > FCO 283:04 // Rome > SVO 287:14 // Moscow > ATL 297:28 // Atlanta > BOS 297:38 // Boston > NRT 314:38 //

Re: Time in the Air

2013-05-31 Thread Mark Nottingham
On 31/05/2013, at 8:28 PM, Fernando Gont wrote: > On 05/31/2013 11:59 AM, Mark Nottingham wrote: >> In an attempt to inject some data into the discussion, I wrote a bit >> of code that figures out how much time, given your home city, you >> would have spent in the air if you'd attended all IETF

Re: Time in the Air

2013-05-31 Thread Fernando Gont
On 05/31/2013 11:59 AM, Mark Nottingham wrote: > In an attempt to inject some data into the discussion, I wrote a bit > of code that figures out how much time, given your home city, you > would have spent in the air if you'd attended all IETF meetings since > IETF74 (i.e., from 2009 onwards). > >

Time in the Air

2013-05-31 Thread Mark Nottingham
In an attempt to inject some data into the discussion, I wrote a bit of code that figures out how much time, given your home city, you would have spent in the air if you'd attended all IETF meetings since IETF74 (i.e., from 2009 onwards). The first column is the "home" airport. The second colu