Re: Why does Valdis trust UL?

2002-02-03 Thread Graham Klyne
Stef, I'm doing some work in a W3C working group where one of the deliverables is a set of test cases. I.e. a set of machine processable files that give some kind of before-and-after indication of how certain constructs may be processed. These are used (a) as discussion points for building

Re: Why does Valdis trust UL?

2002-02-03 Thread Einar Stefferud
Hello Graham -- Given your ideas and information, it seems to me that someone my be able to make a business out of marketing testing software that customers can use to evaluate other vendors software, so all customers do not need to self develop the testing software. This might well be an

Re: Why does Valdis trust UL?

2002-02-02 Thread Einar Stefferud
I keep working on Keeping It Simple in honor of Stupid;-)... (KISS) In keeping with this, and still seeking some progress, you might note that my position is reasonably fluid, since the solution(s) do not seem to be obvious from the beginning. It is extremely difficult to do what is needed

Re: Why does Valdis trust UL?

2002-01-31 Thread Mark Adam
Since interoperability on a one-to-many scale would be a problem, perhaps approaching it from the many-to-one point of view would be better. Einar's ideas are good, but still difficult to implement. What happens when a company fails to find every device it should be tested against? It almost

Re: Why does Valdis trust UL?

2002-01-30 Thread Tony Dal Santo
Does UL go after companies that produce unsafe devices. My guess would be no. As far as UL is concerned, companies voluntarily bring their products to them for certification. It is the consumers and legal authorities that give UL such a big stick. And with this model, UL seems to be fairly

Re: Why does Valdis trust UL?

2002-01-29 Thread Einar Stefferud
Well now, an idea blinked on here;-)... As Paul Hoffman noted, it costs a small fortune for an entire set of vendor products to be tested against all other interworking products (N**2 pairs is the estimate) and there is no proffered business model for doing this for the entire involved

Re: Why does Valdis trust UL?

2002-01-29 Thread John C Klensin
John, One addition to your description -- a small, but important, point... ANSI (of which both UL and the normative standards on which their more detailed testing/evaluation standards are based are members and accredited SDOs) makes a careful decision between safety standards and other sorts of

Why does Valdis trust UL?

2002-01-28 Thread John W Noerenberg II
Title: Why does Valdis trust UL? At 10:19 PM -0500 1/26/02, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have in my bedroom a night light, which I purchased at a local grocery store. It has a UL logo on it, which doesn't tell me much about its suitability as a night light (I can't tell if it's bright enough