RE: TCP bandwidth usage was: Yahoo is not using ESMTP

2004-11-17 Thread Paul Hoffman / VPNC
At 9:14 PM -0800 11/16/04, Michel Py wrote: And it's not such a big deal to run a big site, apparently: TorrentBits.org is situated on a dedicated server in the Netherlands. For the moment we have monthly running costs of approximately ยค 213. Another popular music torrent site (not based in the

RE: Yahoo is not using ESMTP

2004-11-16 Thread Gordon . Lennox
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Yahoo is not using ESMTP This is interesting, because on our side of the world, when I do an analysis, I can see that mail is about 30% of the TCP traffic, with the web being about 40% of TCP traffic. I guess we do not have the same needs over very slow links

Re: Yahoo is not using ESMTP

2004-11-16 Thread Bruce Campbell
On Tue, 16 Nov 2004, Franck Martin wrote: This is interesting, because on our side of the world, when I do an analysis, I can see that mail is about 30% of the TCP traffic, with the web being about 40% of TCP traffic. I guess we do not have the same needs over very slow links... Look more

Re: Yahoo is not using ESMTP

2004-11-16 Thread Dave Aronson
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was in a spam workshop yesterday and a guy was saying that spam was a bandwidth issue. I suppose it is if you are on the end of a slow link and (therefore?) all you are doing is e-mail: a big chunk of everything you do is always a lot. Being on dialup also

Re: TCP bandwidth usage was: Yahoo is not using ESMTP

2004-11-16 Thread Paul Hoffman / VPNC
What Michael said. This is probably below the radar for now because, so far, BitTorrent trading of large files (regular TV shows and pirated movies) is more popular in Asia and Europe than in the US. Even on the well-known BitTorrent ports, there is a *huge* amount of trading going on. To make

RE: Yahoo is not using ESMTP

2004-11-16 Thread Robert . Shaw
So from the WSIS/WGIG perspective I am being asked: is spam a significant (network) problem for certain parts of the world? Maybe more importantly: will it still be so in UN timescales? Yes it is a major problem. e.g., see

RE: TCP bandwidth usage was: Yahoo is not using ESMTP

2004-11-16 Thread Michel Py
Paul Hoffman / VPNC wrote: What Michael said. This is probably below the radar for now because, so far, BitTorrent trading of large files (regular TV shows and pirated movies) is more popular in Asia and Europe than in the US. Indeed, I made that very point on Nanog a couple months ago. But

Re: Yahoo is not using ESMTP

2004-11-15 Thread Randy Presuhn
Hi - From: Fred Baker [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Sean Dorman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2004 3:40 AM Subject: RE: Yahoo is not using ESMTP ... http://www.caida.org/dynamic/analysis/workload/sdnap/0_0_/ts_top_n_app_bytes.html) would lead me to believe. I

Re: Yahoo is not using ESMTP

2004-11-15 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Sun, 14 Nov 2004 06:40:35 EST, Fred Baker said: That is the ISP's choice. As a percentage of total volume, SMTP/ESMTP is a small proportion of total traffic, or so please I can read sample measurements (like http://www.caida.org/dynamic/analysis/workload/sdnap/0_0_/ts_top_n_app_bytes.

Re: Yahoo is not using ESMTP

2004-11-15 Thread Fred Baker
At 09:36 AM 11/15/04 -0800, Randy Presuhn wrote: The protocol distribution is different now, though still not showing much SMTP compared to HTTP, etc. :^) Like any other internet link, it changes from millisecond to millisecond. large components tend to include tcp-other, http, and so on. It

Re: Yahoo is not using ESMTP

2004-11-15 Thread Fred Baker
At 01:33 PM 11/15/04 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Umm.. what *exactly* is upstream of that interface? I strongly suspect that it's *heavily* influenced by *local* preferences/configuration. :^) Care to speculate on the existence of any measurement point in the internet that is not heavily

Re: Yahoo is not using ESMTP

2004-11-15 Thread stanislav shalunov
Fred Baker [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: That is the ISP's choice. As a percentage of total volume, SMTP/ESMTP is a small proportion of total traffic, or so please I can read sample measurements (like http://www.caida.org/dynamic/analysis/workload/sdnap/0_0_/ts_top_n_app_bytes.html) would lead

Re: Yahoo is not using ESMTP

2004-11-15 Thread Franck Martin
This is interesting, because on our side of the world, when I do an analysis, I can see that mail is about 30% of the TCP traffic, with the web being about 40% of TCP traffic. I guess we do not have the same needs over very slow links... Cheers stanislav shalunov wrote: Fred Baker [EMAIL

TCP bandwidth usage was: Yahoo is not using ESMTP

2004-11-15 Thread Michel Py
Fred Baker wrote: But frankly, every sample I have seen in the past decade placed SMTP in the noise category, a single digit percentage or less. There might be a handful of exceptions (people in the middle of nowhere with a dial-up worth of bandwidth and/or relying exclusively on pricey

RE: Yahoo is not using ESMTP

2004-11-13 Thread ned . freed
In many situations around the world in developing countries, it is totally impossible to send a 10MB e-mail because the link will be at least break once in the time it takes to send 10MB. As e-mail does not resume... FWIW, RFC 1845 specifies such a mechanism for SMTP. There have been few

Re: Yahoo is not using ESMTP

2004-11-13 Thread Simon Leinen
ned freed writes: In many situations around the world in developing countries, it is totally impossible to send a 10MB e-mail because the link will be at least break once in the time it takes to send 10MB. As e-mail does not resume... FWIW, RFC 1845 specifies such a mechanism for SMTP. There

Re: Yahoo is not using ESMTP

2004-11-13 Thread Michael Richardson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Franck == Franck Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Franck In many situations around the world in developing countries, Franck it is totally impossible to send a 10MB e-mail because the Franck link will be at least break once in the time it takes to

Re: Yahoo is not using ESMTP

2004-11-13 Thread Franck Martin
On Sat, 2004-11-13 at 18:11 +0100, Simon Leinen wrote: There are still many countries which only connection to the Internet is a 64kb/s and quite a lot which speed is below 512kb/s Developed countries and the IETF need to cater for these emerging nations to avoid the digital divide.

Re: Yahoo is not using ESMTP

2004-11-13 Thread Franck Martin
On Sat, 2004-11-13 at 11:00 -0500, Michael Richardson wrote: Franck I think as yahoo being a major e-mail provider it would be Franck good, that they become more responsible (they are actively Franck fighting SPAM) and use ESMTP when sending their e-mails. It Franck seems

RE: Yahoo is not using ESMTP

2004-11-12 Thread Franck Martin
Off course not. In many situations around the world in developing countries, it is totally impossible to send a 10MB e-mail because the link will be at least break once in the time it takes to send 10MB. As e-mail does not resume... There are still many countries which only connection to the

Yahoo is not using ESMTP

2004-11-10 Thread Franck Martin
Hi all, I'm not sure where to bring this information and any help would be most appreciated. I have noticed that yahoo mail is using SMTP and not ESMTP. This is quite an issue in bandwidth saving as now the size limit for mail on yahoo is 10MB if I'm not mistaken. In many places in the world

RE: Yahoo is not using ESMTP

2004-11-10 Thread Sean Dorman
Should ISP's increase the minimum acceptable attachment size to 10M? If anything this will burden the Internet even more. Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com___ Ietf mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED]