in-person vs remote participation (was: Newcomers [Was: Evolutionizing the IETF])

2012-11-12 Thread George, Wes
> From: ietf-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:ietf-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of > Hector Santos > > The IETF should be leading the charge for easy to use, multi-device > readiness cyberspacing virtual meeting places, including better > electronic groupware collaboration tools, etc. It is undoubtedly and

in-person vs remote participation (was: Newcomers [Was: Evolutionizing the IETF])

2012-11-12 Thread George, Wes
> From: ietf-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:ietf-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of > Mikael Abrahamsson > > Personally I believe there could be value in describing what the value > is to attend the meeting physically. I attended the last meeting in > Stockholm because it meant I only had to pay the entrence

Re: in-person vs remote participation (was: Newcomers [Was: Evolutionizing the IETF])

2012-11-12 Thread Riccardo Bernardini
On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 6:15 PM, George, Wes wrote: >> From: ietf-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:ietf-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of >> Mikael Abrahamsson >> >> Personally I believe there could be value in describing what the value >> is to attend the meeting physically. I attended the last meeting in >

Re: in-person vs remote participation (was: Newcomers [Was: Evolutionizing the IETF])

2012-11-12 Thread Dave Crocker
On 11/12/2012 8:29 AM, George, Wes wrote: Remote participants are figuratively (and often literally) invisible, and therefore people forget about them, and they get relegated to second-class status as a participant. It is easy for this to be true; it takes effort to make it not true. I be

Re: in-person vs remote participation (was: Newcomers [Was: Evolutionizing the IETF])

2012-11-12 Thread Michael Richardson
> "George" == George, Wes writes: George> First and foremost, the act of getting away from the office George> and the financial and time commitments involved in traveling George> to a physical meeting a few times a year tends to reinforce George> the need to "prepare" for the