John W Noerenberg II <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> At 5:46 PM + 11/14/01, Lloyd Wood wrote:
> >
> >since when did the wider IETF community (if, indeed, there is such a
> >thing) read [EMAIL PROTECTED]?
>
> One might get a sense of this by looking at the number of subscribers
> to [EMAIL PROT
At 5:46 PM + 11/14/01, Lloyd Wood wrote:
>
>since when did the wider IETF community (if, indeed, there is such a
>thing) read [EMAIL PROTECTED]?
One might get a sense of this by looking at the number of subscribers
to [EMAIL PROTECTED] vs. the number of people who show up at IETF
meetings.
> But the IETF list is probably not the best place for an opinion contest
> about the deployment of IPv6.
true. but at the same time, it's good for the wider IETF community to
discuss the state of IPv6 and the issues associated with deployment,
because it's not just IPv6 experts that need to be
Do you really believe that these exchanges are useful? I mean, if you
want to deploy IPv6, just go do it; if you don't care, don't care; if
you think that we really need plan-B, just go work on MPLS or whatever.
But the IETF list is probably not the best place for an opinion contest
about the depl
At 04:33 PM 11/13/2001 -0500, Perry E. Metzger wrote:
>True enough. Of course, I know of no one who really used the OSI
>stack,
not really true. back then, those who used it tended to tout the fact.
>whereas I can name a lot of people using v6 every day -- myself
>included -- and the growth rat
"Mike O'Dell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
[a pretty long rant]
Look, Mike, whether everything was handled ideally or not, we've got
what we've got and it is being deployed. Its the best solution
available for a set of significant problems we're currently facing. It
does not fix all of them, but
> general availability has nothing to do with "being used"
agreed. but unlike OSI, there are reasons for applications
to use IPv6. however the applications that use IPv6 may
not be as visible as many of those applications that use IPv4 -
for instance IPv6 will be used more often for monitori
general availability has nothing to do with "being used"
the OSI protocol implementations were available on all major
platforms at the time. that didn't get them used by people.
are you the same Keith Moore who hops around every time anyone
goes near the end-to-end thing??
if "two ships in
> IPv6 seeks to change an existing infrastructure.
no doubt this was the original intent. these days I think it's an
anachronism.
IPv6 seeks to provide services to a much larger number of hosts
than were possible in IPv4, and to provide services (like global
addressing and the ability to
Dave Crocker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> The phrase "damning with faint praise" comes to mind. Given how long
> IPv6 has been in the pipeline, the fact that it is available at an
> essentially production level in a minuscule level, so far, says that
> we are looking at a 10-20 year adoption cy
At 04:10 PM 11/12/2001 -0500, Perry E. Metzger wrote:
>Hell, I roamed onto a university campus wireless network not that long
>ago, and for the hell of it sent out a router discovery message and
>found myself on the 6bone. No, not quite the same as finding my
>dentist using v6, but an astonishing
> these machines will have v4 but it will be a very long time
> before they have v6. why? because they are very resource
> constrained, nobody will spend money near-term for dual-stack,
> and a v4 product you can ship today.
you can also ship v6 today, with the v4 sites using 6to4. the main
ba
"Mike O'Dell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> anyone imagining that ipv6 will get an observable percentage
> of total endpoint penetration any time soon only needs to look
> at the onslaught of microcontrollers starting to ship with
> IPv4 technology integral to them.
Now that I'm in the embedded
Perry,
anyone imagining that ipv6 will get an observable percentage
of total endpoint penetration any time soon only needs to look
at the onslaught of microcontrollers starting to ship with
IPv4 technology integral to them.
the microcontroller universe outnumbers everything else
by a huge margi
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