Re: nomcom and confidentiality

2006-11-09 Thread Steven M. Bellovin
On Thu, 09 Nov 2006 08:19:39 -0800, Harald Alvestrand <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --On 9. november 2006 07:20 -0800 "Narayanan, Vidya" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > Hi Avri, > > You make valid points. However, I assume that a company system > > administrator has nothing to do with th

RE: nomcom and confidentiality

2006-11-09 Thread Harald Alvestrand
--On 9. november 2006 07:20 -0800 "Narayanan, Vidya" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi Avri, You make valid points. However, I assume that a company system administrator has nothing to do with the IETF. That assumption is unfounded. Several of us run our IETF-related services out of non-corpor

RE: nomcom and confidentiality

2006-11-09 Thread Narayanan, Vidya
erent landscape from a network administrator who does not have a clue about the IETF. Regards, Vidya > -Original Message- > From: Avri Doria [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 12:41 PM > To: IETF-Discussion > Subject: Re: nomcom and confidential

Re: nomcom and confidentiality

2006-11-08 Thread Avri Doria
Hi, To add a tidbit. There has long been a notion of an umbrella of confidentiality in Nomcom. Which means that anyone who has, or is given access, to any of the confidential information has to agree to keep the information confidential. While I have paid very little attention t nomcom

Re: nomcom and confidentiality

2006-11-07 Thread Brian E Carpenter
Bob Hinden wrote: Danny, What The liaisons are there to provide additional information, not directly influence the outcome. Do you have more information on this? If this is true, I think the result from that Nomcom is questionable. I think this needs to be investigated and the res

Re: nomcom and confidentiality

2006-11-07 Thread John C Klensin
--On Tuesday, November 07, 2006 17:46 -0500 Ralph Droms <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Bob - depends on the meaning of "straw poll". Any vote that results in an action should be restricted to the 10 voting members. My understanding of "straw poll" is an opinion poll that results in no direct a

Re: nomcom and confidentiality

2006-11-07 Thread Danny McPherson
On Nov 7, 2006, at 3:46 PM, Ralph Droms wrote: Bob - depends on the meaning of "straw poll". Any vote that results in an action should be restricted to the 10 voting members. My understanding of "straw poll" is an opinion poll that results in no direct action. Agree, as is mine. -danny

Re: nomcom and confidentiality

2006-11-07 Thread Ralph Droms
Bob - depends on the meaning of "straw poll". Any vote that results in an action should be restricted to the 10 voting members. My understanding of "straw poll" is an opinion poll that results in no direct action. But I'm speculating and don't know what "straw poll" means in the context we're di

Re: nomcom and confidentiality

2006-11-07 Thread Bob Hinden
Danny, What The liaisons are there to provide additional information, not directly influence the outcome. Do you have more information on this? If this is true, I think the result from that Nomcom is questionable. I think this needs to be investigated and the result be made public.

Re: nomcom and confidentiality

2006-11-07 Thread Lucy Lynch
On Tue, 7 Nov 2006, Harald Alvestrand wrote: I think some of Laksminath's concern is valid. But I think the solution to the problem is simple: Make it publicly known who is on the technical staff that supports the Nomcom, and make it clear that these people: 1) May learn Nomcom information a

Re: nomcom and confidentiality

2006-11-07 Thread Danny McPherson
On Nov 7, 2006, at 10:37 AM, Bob Hinden wrote: What The liaisons are there to provide additional information, not directly influence the outcome. Do you have more information on this? If this is true, I think the result from that Nomcom is questionable. I think this needs to be

Re: nomcom and confidentiality

2006-11-07 Thread Henrik Levkowetz
Hi, on 2006-11-07 05:37 Harald Alvestrand said the following: > I think some of Laksminath's concern is valid. > But I think the solution to the problem is simple: > > Make it publicly known who is on the technical staff that supports the > Nomcom, and make it clear that these people: > > 1) Ma

Re: nomcom and confidentiality

2006-11-07 Thread Bob Hinden
Lakshminath, By the way, last I checked "liaisons" are "not voting members." In one of the nomcoms I was in, the liaisons were allowed to vote in straw polls. It was a terrible idea. It negates the checks and balances we have put into the nomcom process, for instance no more than 2 peo

Re: nomcom and confidentiality

2006-11-07 Thread Theodore Tso
On Tue, Nov 07, 2006 at 05:37:37AM -0800, Harald Alvestrand wrote: > I think some of Laksminath's concern is valid. > But I think the solution to the problem is simple: > > Make it publicly known who is on the technical staff that supports the > Nomcom, and make it clear that these people: > > 1

Re: nomcom and confidentiality

2006-11-07 Thread Harald Alvestrand
I think some of Laksminath's concern is valid. But I think the solution to the problem is simple: Make it publicly known who is on the technical staff that supports the Nomcom, and make it clear that these people: 1) May learn Nomcom information as a side effect of their technical work to sup

Re: nomcom and confidentiality

2006-11-07 Thread Lakshminath Dondeti
Fred, When I saw a non-nomcom member having access to what I thought was nomcom-confidential, I was very concerned and now doubt the entire process. I was told that it is secure, but it has not been verified as far as I can tell. At this point, no offense to the tools team, I remain unconvi