Re: session layers, was Re: Renumbering ... Should we consider an association that spans transports?

2007-09-18 Thread Lars Eggert
On 2007-9-17, at 17:40, ext John Day wrote: Fast Select was a single packet that opened, transfered data, and closed a connection. The same as what Mr. Ford's description. What you outline above is very different from SST. I'm surprised that after reading the paper you'd think that there

Re: session layers, was Re: Renumbering ... Should we consider an association that spans transports?

2007-09-17 Thread Lars Eggert
On 2007-9-14, at 21:54, ext Tony Finch wrote: On Fri, 14 Sep 2007, Keith Moore wrote: I actually don't think that having multiple concurrent TCP connections between two peers is a bad thing. sure we could have a transport protocol that provided multiple streams, but why bother when

Re: session layers, was Re: Renumbering ... Should we consider an association that spans transports?

2007-09-17 Thread Fred Baker
Dumb question of the month. With the exception of the last claim (...can prioritize...), this could just as easily describe SCTP. What here is new? And define prioritize? On Sep 17, 2007, at 2:02 AM, Lars Eggert wrote: You might be interested in Bryan Ford's SST paper from this year's

Re: session layers, was Re: Renumbering ... Should we consider an association that spans transports?

2007-09-17 Thread Lars Eggert
On 2007-9-17, at 12:13, ext Fred Baker wrote: Dumb question of the month. With the exception of the last claim (...can prioritize...), this could just as easily describe SCTP. What here is new? And define prioritize? For how this relates to SCTP, let me refer you to Section 6. (And yes,

Re: session layers, was Re: Renumbering ... Should we consider an association that spans transports?

2007-09-17 Thread Michael Tuexen
Hi Lars, comment in-line. Best regards Michael On Sep 17, 2007, at 12:11 PM, Lars Eggert wrote: On 2007-9-17, at 12:13, ext Fred Baker wrote: Dumb question of the month. With the exception of the last claim (...can prioritize...), this could just as easily describe SCTP. What here is

Re: session layers, was Re: Renumbering ... Should we consider an association that spans transports?

2007-09-17 Thread John Day
I am afraid that I must agree with Fred. There is nothing very new in this paper and its publication is merely another indication of how far down the blind alley we have gone. I was surprised SIGCOMM even published dressing up X.25 Fast Select with fancy words. Amazing. At 2:13 -0700

Re: session layers, was Re: Renumbering ... Should we consider an association that spans transports?

2007-09-17 Thread Tony Finch
On Mon, 17 Sep 2007, John Day wrote: I am afraid that I must agree with Fred. There is nothing very new in this paper and its publication is merely another indication of how far down the blind alley we have gone. I was surprised SIGCOMM even published dressing up X.25 Fast Select with fancy

Re: session layers, was Re: Renumbering ... Should we consider an association that spans transports?

2007-09-17 Thread John Day
Fast Select was a single packet that opened, transfered data, and closed a connection. The same as what Mr. Ford's description. There was nothing remotely transactional about Fast Select. It was a direct counter to the proposal to put datagrams in X.25. It was a silly idea, then and it

Re: session layers, was Re: Renumbering ... Should we consider an association that spans transports?

2007-09-14 Thread Tony Finch
On Fri, 14 Sep 2007, Keith Moore wrote: I actually don't think that having multiple concurrent TCP connections between two peers is a bad thing. sure we could have a transport protocol that provided multiple streams, but why bother when concurrent TCP connections works pretty well? I