www.isoc.org unreachable when ECN is used [was: Re: ITU takes over?]

2003-12-11 Thread Simon Leinen
Ole J Jacobsen writes: Yep, works fine for me, Stef. Time to switch providers? :-) Time to disable ECN? $ telnet www.isoc.org 80 Trying 206.131.249.182... ^C : [EMAIL PROTECTED]; su Password: # ndd -set /dev/tcp tcp_ecn_permitted 0 # telnet www.isoc.org 80

Re: Re[2]: www.isoc.org unreachable when ECN is used [was: Re: ITU takes over?]

2003-12-11 Thread Scott Bradner
The real issue is whether an ECN bit is reserved, or not reserved. it's not reserved -- the ECN bits are assigned by RFC 3168 i.e. ECN is a proposed standard and the bits that it uses in the IP header are fully assigned Scott

Re: Re[2]: www.isoc.org unreachable when ECN is used [was: Re: ITU takes over?]

2003-12-11 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Thu, 11 Dec 2003 14:47:03 EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Scott Bradner) said: The real issue is whether an ECN bit is reserved, or not reserved. it's not reserved -- the ECN bits are assigned by RFC 3168 i.e. ECN is a proposed standard and the bits that it uses in the IP header are fully

Re: Re[2]: www.isoc.org unreachable when ECN is used [was: Re: ITU takes over?]

2003-12-11 Thread Scott Bradner
Yes, but if you're a firewall that stepped into a temporal stasis box before 3168 was published, you're still thinking that the bits are reserved, woe be to new applications through such a firewall Scott

Re: www.isoc.org unreachable when ECN is used [was: Re: ITU takes over?]

2003-12-11 Thread Franck Martin
I cannot believe it ! I raised this thing to ISOC more than a year ago!!! I told them in person at INET in Washington too... They haven't done a dam thing since... If you look on the Internet there is a list of organisations not ECN compliant, you will find ISOC entry. How can such a

Re: Re[2]: www.isoc.org unreachable when ECN is used [was: Re: ITU takes over?]

2003-12-11 Thread Vernon Schryver
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Scott Bradner) Yes, but if you're a firewall that stepped into a temporal stasis box before 3168 was published, you're still thinking that the bits are reserved, woe be to new applications through such a firewall Yes, such junk no doubt has worse defects than

Re[4]: www.isoc.org unreachable when ECN is used [was: Re: ITU takes over?]

2003-12-11 Thread Anthony G. Atkielski
Scott Bradner writes: woe be to new applications through such a firewall It's important to understand that the Internet is not monolithic, and no matter what the latest and greatest standards may be, there will always be parts of the Net that run older software. Expecting the entire Net to

Re: www.isoc.org unreachable when ECN is used [was: Re: ITU takes over?]

2003-12-11 Thread Theodore Ts'o
On Fri, Dec 12, 2003 at 08:22:16AM +1200, Franck Martin wrote: I cannot believe it ! I raised this thing to ISOC more than a year ago!!! I told them in person at INET in Washington too... They haven't done a dam thing since... If you look on the Internet there is a list of

Re: www.isoc.org unreachable when ECN is used [was: Re: ITU takes over?]

2003-12-11 Thread Tim Chown
On Thu, Dec 11, 2003 at 03:48:44PM -0500, Theodore Ts'o wrote: Check the archives, this gets raised periodically, and ISOC is simply perenially unable to fix it. I think I raised some 12-18 months ago, and there has still gotten no action by ISOC. I think this falls in the so what else is