Re: [ietf-dkim] Notes from DKIM jabber meeting on 20 April 2006

2006-04-22 Thread Sandy Wills
(Thanks to you, John, Hector, and the others for helping. I think I understand a little better where you are going, now. I'll let you know when I know everything and have solved all the world's problems.) Eliot Lear wrote: Sandy Wills wrote: I love analogies, so let's extend this one a bit.

RE: [ietf-dkim] dkim-base-01: 6.2 - DNS error

2006-04-22 Thread Bill.Oxley
* 2. If the query for the public key fails to respond, the verifier *SHOULD defer acceptance of this email. Verifiers SHOULD track * continuous errors and SHOULD eventually accept the message *object after a number of tries. If the query for the public key fails to respo

Re: [ietf-dkim] dkim-base-01: 6.2 - DNS error

2006-04-22 Thread Hector Santos
- Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> 2. If the query for the public key fails to respond, the verifier >> SHOULD defer acceptance of this email. Verifiers SHOULD track >> continuous errors and SHOULD eventually accept the message >> object after a number of trie

Re: [ietf-dkim] Notes from DKIM jabber meeting on 20 April 2006

2006-04-22 Thread Hector Santos
The Milk Carton Analogy was good, but there is a slight difference when it comes to (DKIM) mail. The problem with the milk analogy is that the expiration date is a shelf life concept. To the store, it is the date it must remove the cartons from the store shelves. To the consumer, who brought it da

Re: [ietf-dkim] dkim-base-01: 6.2 - DNS error

2006-04-22 Thread John Levine
>If the query for the public key fails to respond, the verifier SHOULD defer >acceptance of this email. Verifiers MAY track continuous errors and determine >the message has a broken signature. I don't know what "acceptance" means here. Since we're talking about verification, I suspect "verificati

[ietf-dkim] Proposal for v= tag

2006-04-22 Thread Mircea Purdea
Given that DKIM has reached a stage where new specifications are no longer backwards compatible, I think it has become imperative that a clear identification of signature formats be adopted. Not having a stable specification is one thing, but promoting confusion by not properly identifying in

Re: [ietf-dkim] Proposal for v= tag

2006-04-22 Thread Stephen Farrell
Hi, While it may be sensible to start using v= now, or when an RFC issues, or in some other way, I don't think that having a different v= for each Internet-draft is a good idea really. Perhaps you are expecting too much of each version of the I-D in terms of stability/compatibility. These are w

[ietf-dkim] Proposal for v= tag

2006-04-22 Thread Mircea Purdea
While it may be sensible to start using v= now, or when an RFC issues, or in some other way, I don't think that having a different v= for each Internet-draft is a good idea really. Perhaps you are expecting too much of each version of the I-D in terms of stability/compatibility. These are workin

Re: [ietf-dkim] Proposal for v= tag

2006-04-22 Thread Stephen Farrell
Mircea Purdea wrote: While it may be sensible to start using v= now, or when an RFC issues, or in some other way, I don't think that having a different v= for each Internet-draft is a good idea really. Perhaps you are expecting too much of each version of the I-D in terms of stability/compati

Re: [ietf-dkim] Proposal for v= tag

2006-04-22 Thread Mircea Purdea
Stephen Farrell wrote: I guess my concern would be that it might encourage people not to update their code to be RFC compliant. That might be so, but on the other hand, I think that before commiting to a RFC, live testing of draft implementations SHOULD be done, and currently, given the v=

Re: [ietf-dkim] Proposal for v= tag

2006-04-22 Thread Michael Thomas
Mircea Purdea wrote: Stephen Farrell wrote: I guess my concern would be that it might encourage people not to update their code to be RFC compliant. That might be so, but on the other hand, I think that before commiting to a RFC, live testing of draft implementations SHOULD be done, and