Re: [ietf-dkim] NEW ISSUE: NAKED CR & LF issues with bodycanonicalization

2006-07-16 Thread Hector Santos
- Original Message - From: "John L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Michael Thomas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > I have never come across an application that depended on naked CR or LF > being passed through SMTP. Is QMAIL strickly a SMTP to SMTP transport system? Does QMAIL only accept feeds from SM

Re: [ietf-dkim] NEW ISSUE: NAKED CR & LF issues with body canonicalization

2006-07-16 Thread Mark Delany
> In the months since we went live with probably hundreds of millions > of messages passing through our signers/verifiers, this is the only thing > that I've seen with any consistency that breaks the body with simple. How many of those were signed though? And what was the intent of the signer wrt

Re: [ietf-dkim] NEW ISSUE: NAKED CR & LF issues with body canonicalization

2006-07-16 Thread Mark Delany
On Sun, Jul 16, 2006 at 09:35:22PM -0700, Michael Thomas allegedly wrote: > John L wrote: > > > > >>>My strong suggestion is to say that if you want your DKIM signatures > >>>to interoperate, you should only sign compliant mail. > >> > >>That's completely unhelpful. > > > > > >Just in case you mi

Re: [ietf-dkim] NEW ISSUE: NAKED CR & LF issues with body canonicalization

2006-07-16 Thread John L
that's a private network, not SMTP. I am utterly unable to imagine why an IETF standard should require DKIM to handle such messages when we all know that the only reason they happen is software bugs, and it's already common practice to fix them up at a relay. Incorrect. They could be applicat

Re: [ietf-dkim] NEW ISSUE: NAKED CR & LF issues with body canonicalization

2006-07-16 Thread Michael Thomas
John L wrote: My strong suggestion is to say that if you want your DKIM signatures to interoperate, you should only sign compliant mail. That's completely unhelpful. Just in case you missed it the last three times I said this: make the message compliant, then sign it. I guess you miss

Re: [ietf-dkim] NEW ISSUE: NAKED CR & LF issues with body canonicalization

2006-07-16 Thread John L
In the months since we went live with probably hundreds of millions of messages passing through our signers/verifiers, this is the only thing that I've seen with any consistency that breaks the body with simple. Right. So fix the message, then sign it, thereby making the message and signature

Re: [ietf-dkim] NEW ISSUE: NAKED CR & LF issues with body canonicalization

2006-07-16 Thread Michael Thomas
John Levine wrote: In our testing at Cisco, we are seeing a small but significant number of failure mainly due to various system bots that send naked CR's in a message. Yeah, there are a lot of badly written MUAs. What I have found is that at the very least, sendmail and Ironport han

Re: [ietf-dkim] NEW ISSUE: NAKED CR & LF issues with body canonicalization

2006-07-16 Thread John Levine
>In our testing at Cisco, we are seeing a small but significant number >of failure mainly due to various system bots that send naked CR's in >a message. Yeah, there are a lot of badly written MUAs. > What I have found is that at the very least, sendmail and Ironport >handle these two cases differ

Re: [ietf-dkim] draft-ietf-dkim-base-04 submitted

2006-07-16 Thread Stephen Farrell
Scott Kitterman wrote: On Sat, 15 Jul 2006 08:10:50 -0700 Eric Allman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I have just submitted draft-ietf-dkim-base-04 to internet-drafts for publication. An advance view can be found at http://www.neophilic.com/~eric/DKIM/draft-ietf-dkim-base-04.txt http://www

Re: [ietf-dkim] draft-ietf-dkim-base-04 submitted

2006-07-16 Thread Paul Hoffman
At 1:25 PM -0700 7/16/06, Scott Kitterman wrote: Is it normal to do a last call on a document with known open issues? Yes, just as it is normal to wait for all known issues to be fixed. It's up to the WG chairs and the WG. ___ NOTE WELL: This list o

Re: [ietf-dkim] draft-ietf-dkim-base-04 submitted

2006-07-16 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Sat, 15 Jul 2006 08:10:50 -0700 Eric Allman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >I have just submitted draft-ietf-dkim-base-04 to internet-drafts for >publication. An advance view can be found at > >http://www.neophilic.com/~eric/DKIM/draft-ietf-dkim-base-04.txt >http://www.neophilic.com/~eric

Re: [ietf-dkim] Yahoo's domainkeys as historic: timing

2006-07-16 Thread Eliot Lear
I wrote: >> I am prety sure that historic has never been applied to a specification that >> was >> not previously an IETF standard. >> > > It's happened once before, somewhere in the 1xxx series. I forget which > document, but it was recently discussed on what I believe was the IETF > list

Re: [ietf-dkim] Yahoo's domainkeys as historic: timing

2006-07-16 Thread Eliot Lear
Mark Delany wrote: > As long as the RFC numbers turn out in the right order. Would it > confuse folk if the Information had a bigger number than DKIM? > > I don't know. I think the simple approach is to send an email to the RFC Editor to see that this doesn't happen. I'm pretty confident they

Re: [ietf-dkim] Yahoo's domainkeys as historic: timing

2006-07-16 Thread Eliot Lear
Dave Crocker wrote: > What is the reason for Historic, rather than Informational? > > I am prety sure that historic has never been applied to a specification that > was > not previously an IETF standard. It's happened once before, somewhere in the 1xxx series. I forget which document, but i

Re: [ietf-dkim] Yahoo's domainkeys as historic: timing

2006-07-16 Thread Graham Murray
Dave Crocker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > What is the reason for Historic, rather than Informational? > > I am prety sure that historic has never been applied to a specification that > was > not previously an IETF standard. The usual means of labeling an RFC that > specifies a popular, propriet