[ietf-dkim] Wait and See?

2006-09-13 Thread Douglas Otis
On Sep 13, 2006, at 11:21 AM, J.D. Falk wrote: I hope we see a wider variety of real-world implementations soon so that we can figure out what's actually going to happen, rather than just guessing (whether those guesses are educated or not.) You seem to be suggesting the WG should conclude

Re: accept, deny, or other delivery decisions (was Re: [ietf-dkim]SSP=FAILURE DETECTION)

2006-09-13 Thread J.D. Falk
On 2006-09-12 22:49, Hector Santos wrote: Anyway, I don't think you interpreted the concern incorrectly. Certainly possible. I hope we see a wider variety of real-world implementations soon so that we can figure out what's actually going to happen, rather than just guessing (whether those g

Re: accept, deny, or other delivery decisions (was Re:[ietf-dkim]SSP=FAILURE DETECTION)

2006-09-13 Thread Douglas Otis
On Sep 13, 2006, at 4:35 AM, Hector Santos wrote: It is because of that inconsistent DKIM reception handling unknowns between different systems, we risk encouraging DKIM bad actors to proliferate against the new creation of different potential targets. In summary, the concern is that the

Re: accept, deny, or other delivery decisions (was Re: [ietf-dkim] SSP= FAILURE DETECTION)

2006-09-13 Thread Douglas Otis
On Wed, 2006-09-13 at 08:48 -0400, Jeff Macdonald wrote: > > Even when a client has both of these, blocks/'missing mail'/'bulk > folder placement' still happen. > > Currently system don't seem to take past reputation into > consideration. For instance, a customer could have a great reputation > fo

Re: accept, deny, or other delivery decisions (was Re: [ietf-dkim] SSP= FAILURE DETECTION)

2006-09-13 Thread Jeff Macdonald
On Tue, Sep 12, 2006 at 12:07:00AM -0400, Scott Kitterman wrote: > Why do senders want to accept this risk? Because they don't have a choice. At least ESPs don't. When Microsoft said: 'If you do Sender-ID, you have a better chance of the message going into the Inbox'. 'If you do Sender Score Cer

Re: accept, deny, or other delivery decisions (was Re:[ietf-dkim]SSP=FAILURE DETECTION)

2006-09-13 Thread Hector Santos
- Original Message - From: "Douglas Otis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Hector Santos" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> It is because of that inconsistent DKIM reception handling unknowns >> between different systems, we risk encouraging DKIM bad actors to >> proliferate against the new creation of dif

Re: accept, deny, or other delivery decisions (was Re: [ietf-dkim]SSP=FAILURE DETECTION)

2006-09-13 Thread Douglas Otis
On Wed, 2006-09-13 at 01:49 -0400, Hector Santos wrote: > It is because of that inconsistent DKIM reception handling unknowns > between different systems, we risk encouraging DKIM bad actors to > proliferate against the new creation of different potential targets. > > In summary, the concern is th