Re: [ietf-dkim] Discussion of Consensus check: Domain Existence Check

2008-06-17 Thread Charles Lindsey
On Mon, 16 Jun 2008 15:51:07 +0100, Douglas Otis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Protection depends upon which ADSP assertion is made. A LOCKED > assertion will cause a message to be dismissed when ADSP compliance is > enforced. Acceptance of messages with invalid signatures from mailing > lists

Re: [ietf-dkim] Consensus check: Domain Existence Check

2008-06-17 Thread Stephen Farrell
By my count that went: keep: 4 modify: 20 remove: 0 A clear consensus to modify. (See the attached for who I think went for what.) 6 of the 20 for modify also expressed a preference for the text from draft-levine-dkim-adsp-00. So I take it that the authors should include a modified domain exi

Re: [ietf-dkim] Consensus check: Domain Existence Check

2008-06-17 Thread Frank Ellermann
Stephen Farrell wrote: > PS: sorry for being slow with this again;-) No problem, the outcome was rather clear, but I have a "thing" with using the C-word, unless the person using it is a WG Chair or AD. Now that you have used it... > A clear consensus to modify ...I feel free to quote you (or

[ietf-dkim] Documenting *why* the horse is dead

2008-06-17 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
>> I'm trying to make the working group aware of possibly influential >> dissent outside of the working group. >> > > And how is that supposed to work ? Some persons known only to you > allegedly prefer the ssp-03 algorithm and are possibly influential; > what next ? There were tons of argu

Re: [ietf-dkim] I-D.kucherawy-dkim-reporting

2008-06-17 Thread Douglas Otis
On Jun 16, 2008, at 9:46 AM, Murray S. Kucherawy wrote: > On Mon, 16 Jun 2008, Douglas Otis wrote: >> >>> While such a scheme might be seen as Sender friendly if adopted, >>> this would doom DKIM. Selectors devoid of the publishing domain >>> offers no value. To suggest otherwise would be

Re: [ietf-dkim] Discussion of Consensus check: Domain Existence Check

2008-06-17 Thread Douglas Otis
On Jun 17, 2008, at 3:41 AM, Charles Lindsey wrote: > On Mon, 16 Jun 2008 15:51:07 +0100, Douglas Otis <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > abuse.org> > wrote: > >> Protection depends upon which ADSP assertion is made. A LOCKED >> assertion will cause a message to be dismissed when ADSP compliance >> is en

Re: [ietf-dkim] Documenting *why* the horse is dead

2008-06-17 Thread Frank Ellermann
Murray S. Kucherawy wrote: > Now who's the one re-opening the topic? I thought you were, but if that's not the case we can drop this part of the discussion. > I don't care what the "don't" reasons are anymore. I'm saying > we have to document them so that implementors understand the > reasons i

Re: [ietf-dkim] Discussion of Consensus check: Domain ExistenceCheck

2008-06-17 Thread Frank Ellermann
Douglas Otis wrote: [about the 2606bis draft] > Frank's list still needs to be extended to include names like > ".local" and perhaps ".nntp" to permit address converters a > safe mode of operation. The idnabis-test-tlds I-D tries to say that it is no complete list of all reserved TLDs. But it c

Re: [ietf-dkim] Documenting *why* the horse is dead

2008-06-17 Thread Roland Turner
On Tue, 2008-06-17 at 14:21 -0700, Murray S. Kucherawy wrote: > I don't care what the "don't" reasons are anymore. I'm saying we > have > to document them so that implementors understand the reasons it was > deliberately omitted, and currently (other than this mailing list > archive) we don't.