Re: [ietf-dkim] The mystery of third party signatures

2009-10-06 Thread Doug Otis
On 10/6/09 1:46 PM, Michael Thomas wrote: > On 10/06/2009 10:30 AM, bill.ox...@cox.com wrote: >> C) I can sell the ability to do 3rd party DKIM signing for those companies >> who are described in A) > > If you're getting paid for signing somebody else's traffic, doesn't > it make sense that the se

Re: [ietf-dkim] The mystery of third party signatures

2009-10-06 Thread Michael Thomas
On 10/06/2009 03:08 PM, Franck Martin wrote: > Practicalities, which explained the failure of PGP and S/MINE. Great > protocol, except they are unworkable for the common user, like most security > protocols coming out of IETF (and it is not me who is saying it but I heard > it in a variation fro

Re: [ietf-dkim] The mystery of third party signatures

2009-10-06 Thread Franck Martin
Practicalities, which explained the failure of PGP and S/MINE. Great protocol, except they are unworkable for the common user, like most security protocols coming out of IETF (and it is not me who is saying it but I heard it in a variation from Stephen Squires) The people that want the signing,

Re: [ietf-dkim] The mystery of third party signatures

2009-10-06 Thread Franck Martin
Just on 3rd party signing and mainly for my own benefit (and hopefully yours) I see a few cases I'll try to describe. 1) I send an email to a mailing list, I first party dkim sign the email Considering mailman behavior, what does it do with this email? -It could resend it as is, adding a third

Re: [ietf-dkim] The mystery of third party signatures

2009-10-06 Thread Michael Thomas
On 10/06/2009 10:30 AM, bill.ox...@cox.com wrote: > C) I can sell the ability to do 3rd party DKIM signing for those companies > who are described in A) If you're getting paid for signing somebody else's traffic, doesn't it make sense that the service can do some hand holding to get their DNS set

Re: [ietf-dkim] The mystery of third party signatures

2009-10-06 Thread Bill.Oxley
C) I can sell the ability to do 3rd party DKIM signing for those companies who are described in A) From: ietf-dkim-boun...@mipassoc.org [ietf-dkim-boun...@mipassoc.org] On Behalf Of John Levine [jo...@iecc.com] Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 8:38 PM To: ie

Re: [ietf-dkim] The mystery of third party signatures

2009-10-06 Thread Doug Otis
On 10/5/09 5:38 PM, John Levine wrote: >> In light of the comments by Bill Oxley and my belief that the ability of >> a domain to designate signing by a specified 3rd party is useful, ... > > It would really be helpful if you two could explain WHY you think it's > useful. Given the way that DKIM w

[ietf-dkim] Third Party Signers and Authorization

2009-10-06 Thread hector
Charles Lindsey wrote: > On Mon, 05 Oct 2009 14:37:56 +0100, MH Michael Hammer (5304) > wrote: > >> In light of the comments by Bill Oxley and my belief that the ability of >> a domain to designate signing by a specified 3rd party is useful, I'd >> like to see this included in the update. I be

Re: [ietf-dkim] The mystery of third party signatures

2009-10-06 Thread John R. Levine
> C) I can sell the ability to do 3rd party DKIM signing for those companies > who are described in A) Oh, OK, so what we need is better DNS provisioning tools. Problem solved, as far as the IETF is concerned. R's, John > > From: ietf-dkim-boun...@mipa

Re: [ietf-dkim] DKIM charter update proposal

2009-10-06 Thread Charles Lindsey
On Mon, 05 Oct 2009 14:37:56 +0100, MH Michael Hammer (5304) wrote: > In light of the comments by Bill Oxley and my belief that the ability of > a domain to designate signing by a specified 3rd party is useful, I'd > like to see this included in the update. I believe this would be useful > for