Re: [ietf-dkim] Re-thinking the organization of the DKIM spec

2011-01-11 Thread Eliot Lear
Barry, Dave, and others, Thanks for proposing this interesting split. As I'll discuss below, at this point I think I have more questions than opinions. But I have at least one opinion. 1. I recognize that sometimes good ideas have their own schedules, but I consider it unfortunate that the WG

Re: [ietf-dkim] Re-thinking the organization of the DKIM spec

2011-01-11 Thread Stephen Farrell
On 11/01/11 12:12, Eliot Lear wrote: 1. I recognize that sometimes good ideas have their own schedules, but I consider it unfortunate that the WG had to spend time to go through WGLC, resolve open issues, and then for the authors and chairs to reorganize the work. Just one quick

Re: [ietf-dkim] Proposed documentation split between DKIM and DOSETA

2011-01-11 Thread Alessandro Vesely
On 07/Jan/11 21:58, Dave CROCKER wrote: Here's the proposal that Barry just announced, for splitting the DKIM specification into a DKIM-specific portion and an underlying, more generic portion that could be re-purposed for other services. It's current working acronym is DOSETA. I'm

Re: [ietf-dkim] Re-thinking the organization of the DKIM spec

2011-01-11 Thread Dave CROCKER
On 1/10/2011 5:28 PM, Jim Fenton wrote: 1. Review Abuse: We held a Last Call on rfc4871bis that closed on 22 October 2010. Many of us put considerable focus into a detailed edit of the document at that time, and to hear that other than surgical changes to the document in response to Last

Re: [ietf-dkim] DOSETA and re-thinking the organization of the DKIM spec

2011-01-11 Thread John R. Levine
The new docs willuse the CORRECTED rfc4871bis text. Considering how far along we are with rfc4871bis, and keeping mind mind the objections from Jim and others, my inclination would be to finish and publish rfc4871bis as a standalone document, and after that do the DOSETA document that, as

Re: [ietf-dkim] DOSETA and re-thinking the organization of the DKIM spec

2011-01-11 Thread Wietse Venema
John R. Levine: The new docs willuse the CORRECTED rfc4871bis text. Considering how far along we are with rfc4871bis, and keeping mind mind the objections from Jim and others, my inclination would be to finish and publish rfc4871bis as a standalone document, and after that do the

[ietf-dkim] RFC4871 interoperability conflict over h= tag

2011-01-11 Thread McDowell, Brett
(if this doesn't belong on this list, please let me know) RFC 4871 states: h= Acceptable hash algorithms (plain-text; OPTIONAL, defaults to allowing all algorithms). A colon-separated list of hash algorithms that might be used. Signers and Verifiers MUST support the

Re: [ietf-dkim] RFC4871 interoperability conflict over h= tag

2011-01-11 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
-Original Message- From: ietf-dkim-boun...@mipassoc.org [mailto:ietf-dkim-boun...@mipassoc.org] On Behalf Of McDowell, Brett Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 2:33 PM To: ietf-dkim@mipassoc.org WG Subject: [ietf-dkim] RFC4871 interoperability conflict over h= tag (if this doesn't

Re: [ietf-dkim] RFC4871 interoperability conflict over h= tag

2011-01-11 Thread SM
Hi Brett, At 14:33 11-01-11, McDowell, Brett wrote: RFC 4871 states: h= Acceptable hash algorithms (plain-text; OPTIONAL, defaults to allowing all algorithms). A colon-separated list of hash algorithms that might be used. Signers and Verifiers MUST support the

Re: [ietf-dkim] Re-thinking the organization of the DKIM spec

2011-01-11 Thread J.D. Falk
On Jan 11, 2011, at 4:12 AM, Eliot Lear wrote: 2. The mechanisms in DOSETA were designed for DKIM. If we are generalizing along the lines that Dave has mentioned, I would prefer that DOSETA in particular not advance to draft status, as it ought to be tested in at least two separate

Re: [ietf-dkim] Proposed documentation split between DKIM and DOSETA

2011-01-11 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
Hi Rolf, I think your concerns are reasonable. But I think the marketing of DKIM can be managed and maintained as it has its own momentum now; meanwhile, the idea of creating a new technology (say, something that protects HTTP transactions) that looks 95% like DKIM but is called something