[ietf-dkim] Proposed fingerprint tag description

2006-04-12 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
Following up on prior discussion, I'd like to start working on some formal wording for a fingerprint tag. This will be used to describe the results of verifying a message with multiple signatures present, so that the receiver can match up each result to its respective signature even if there's

Re: [ietf-dkim] Proposed fingerprint tag description

2006-04-12 Thread william(at)elan.net
Since fingerprints have specific meaning in cryptography, can you change the name to something like "Unique Signature ID" (i.e. "u" although personally I like "u"s for URLs). How you planning to make reference to specific header field by using this tag? Are these going to be similar tricks to wh

Re: [ietf-dkim] Proposed fingerprint tag description

2006-04-12 Thread Douglas Otis
On Apr 12, 2006, at 12:56 PM, Murray S. Kucherawy wrote: If the "f=" tag is absent, a verifier can infer its value by using the first four bytes of the actual (i.e. base64-decoded) "bh" tag's value when describing its results to receivers. However, since the base64-decoded version of the

Re: [ietf-dkim] Proposed fingerprint tag description

2006-04-12 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
william(at)elan.net wrote: Since fingerprints have specific meaning in cryptography, can you change the name to something like "Unique Signature ID" (i.e. "u" although personally I like "u"s for URLs). Fine by me. How about "sid" for Signature ID? How you planning to make reference to specif

Re: [ietf-dkim] Proposed fingerprint tag description

2006-04-12 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
Douglas Otis wrote: Verification results based upon an added header might be spoofed when an MTAs is not configured to remove them. In addition, these headers will not be reliably present until universally adopted, perhaps many years from now. While the header might be removed normally,

Re: [ietf-dkim] Proposed fingerprint tag description

2006-04-12 Thread Michael Thomas
Murray -- It sounds like what you really want to do is to cause b= to be unique. That could be accomplished by just adding some hash-collision resistant number of random bytes. Or you could use those random bytes directly, I suppose. Mike Murray S. Kucherawy wrote: Douglas Otis wrote:

Re: [ietf-dkim] Proposed fingerprint tag description

2006-04-12 Thread Stephen Farrell
Hi Murray, What would be wrong with the option of using the first N bytes of the actual signature value? If that were ok (and I've no idea really), then presumably the shortest N that disambiguates the signatures could be used. But its not entirely clear to me who's putting this value where, w

Re: [ietf-dkim] Proposed fingerprint tag description

2006-04-12 Thread Mark Delany
On Wed, Apr 12, 2006 at 11:00:37PM +0100, Stephen Farrell allegedly wrote: > > Hi Murray, > > What would be wrong with the option of using the first N bytes of the > actual signature value? > > If that were ok (and I've no idea really), then presumably the shortest > N that disambiguates the sig

Re: [ietf-dkim] Proposed fingerprint tag description

2006-04-12 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
Michael Thomas wrote: It sounds like what you really want to do is to cause b= to be unique. That could be accomplished by just adding some hash-collision resistant number of random bytes. Or you could use those random bytes directly, I suppose. It may in fact be completely sufficient for the s

Re: [ietf-dkim] Proposed fingerprint tag description

2006-04-12 Thread Jim Fenton
Murray S. Kucherawy wrote: > william(at)elan.net wrote: >> Since fingerprints have specific meaning in cryptography, can you >> change the name to something like "Unique Signature ID" (i.e. "u" >> although personally I like "u"s for URLs). > > Fine by me. How about "sid" for Signature ID? Likely t

RE: [ietf-dkim] Proposed fingerprint tag description

2006-04-12 Thread Bill.Oxley
Lets not get into cellular mapping id's (SID) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Jim Fenton Sent: Wed 4/12/2006 8:00 PM To: Murray S. Kucherawy Cc: ietf-dkim@mipassoc.org Subject: Re: [ietf-dkim] Proposed fingerprint tag description Murray S. Kucherawy

RE: [ietf-dkim] Proposed fingerprint tag description

2006-04-12 Thread Dennis Dayman
> william(at)elan.net wrote: > > Since fingerprints have specific meaning in cryptography, can you > > change the name to something like "Unique Signature ID" (i.e. "u" > > although personally I like "u"s for URLs). > > Fine by me. How about "sid" for Signature ID? Microsoft will love that :)