[ietf-dkim] Some responsibility

2010-10-30 Thread Rolf E. Sonneveld
Hi, unfortunately I didn't have the time to do a full review of 4871bis, but there's one thing I'd like to draw attention to. In the original text of RFC4871 DKIM was described as: > DomainKeys Identified Mail (DKIM) defines a mechanism by which email > messages can be cryptographically sign

Re: [ietf-dkim] Some responsibility

2010-10-30 Thread Hector Santos
Rolf E. Sonneveld wrote: > Hi, > > unfortunately I didn't have the time to do a full review of 4871bis, but > there's one thing I'd like to draw attention to. > In the original text of RFC4871 DKIM was described as: > >> DomainKeys Identified Mail (DKIM) defines a mechanism by which email >>

Re: [ietf-dkim] Some responsibility

2010-10-31 Thread Graham Murray
Hector Santos writes: > I would go further to suggest to remove the usage of the term > "responsibility" from the DKIM specification all together! > > Why? > > DKIM is no position today to provide any assurance to or for anyone to > be indemnified from liabilities. I agree that it does not pro

Re: [ietf-dkim] Some responsibility

2010-11-01 Thread Alessandro Vesely
Rolf E. Sonneveld wrote: > I'm not very happy with the introduction of the word 'some' in front of > 'responsibility'. The way it is mentioned now is like one can say > 'somewhat dead' or 'a bit pregnant'. It involves domains. For comparison with the web, how would we describe the varying degr

Re: [ietf-dkim] Some responsibility

2010-11-01 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
> -Original Message- > From: ietf-dkim-boun...@mipassoc.org [mailto:ietf-dkim-boun...@mipassoc.org] > On Behalf Of Graham Murray > Sent: Saturday, October 30, 2010 11:51 PM > To: ietf-dkim@mipassoc.org > Subject: Re: [ietf-dkim] Some responsibility > > > D

Re: [ietf-dkim] Some responsibility

2010-11-01 Thread Hector Santos
Murray S. Kucherawy wrote: >> Graham Murray >> claims to do the opposite. What it does provide is assurance of >> acceptance of liability for messages which are signed. ie if a message >> is DKIM signed, the signer cannot later claim "It was nothing to do with >> me, it must have been a forgery"

Re: [ietf-dkim] Some responsibility

2010-11-01 Thread Rolf E. Sonneveld
On 11/1/10 6:01 PM, Murray S. Kucherawy wrote: >> -Original Message- >> From: ietf-dkim-boun...@mipassoc.org [mailto:ietf-dkim-boun...@mipassoc.org] >> On Behalf Of Graham Murray >> Sent: Saturday, October 30, 2010 11:51 PM >> To: ietf-dkim@mipassoc.org &g

Re: [ietf-dkim] Some responsibility

2010-11-01 Thread John R. Levine
Putting on my native speaker of American dialect hat, I don't see a useful difference between "responsibility" and "some responsibility" in this context. In practice they mean the same thing, and neither means "total responsibility." If someone goes to the effort of signing a message and publi