RE: WG Review: Open Pluggable Edge Services (opes)

2001-06-21 Thread Manoj Dhooria
Becoming your own CA: Some interesting discussion on it in Tim Berners-Lee's recent book - Weaving the Web - I think a whole chapter on this subject - most of it in line with the discussion on this thread in the past few days. Real bottleneck is - how the hell does an arbitrary web service

RE: WG Review: Open Pluggable Edge Services (opes)

2001-06-21 Thread Kevin Farley
I apologize for asking, but... I have been reading the ietf-opes.org pages again and I still can't get a good hold on what OPES is trying to accomplish. There are a lot of drafts listed on the site that discuss several scenarios like content peering, edge caching, etc., and while that's all nice

RE: end-to-end is important....Re: OPES is evil incarnate

2001-06-21 Thread TOMSON ERIC
The best doesn't always win. The cheapest often does. Look at VHS over Betamax. Look at Token Ring over Ethernet. :o) -Original Message- From: Einar Stefferud [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] And so:-)... May the best technology win! In general, the best does win, in due

Re: opes and technology picks

2001-06-21 Thread Eliot Lear
On Thu, 21 Jun 2001, Brian E Carpenter wrote: Why is it not acceptable to have one host or its owner approve of such a use? Because both the content originator and the content receiver should be able to veto (say) ad insertion. But the content originator could have just as easily done

Re: WG Review: Open Pluggable Edge Services (opes)

2001-06-21 Thread Lee Rafalow
There seems to be consensus that OPES services would have to be authorized explicitly and must not be transparent to both end-points. This is in line with the discussion we had at the OPES BOF in Minneapolis and is also reflected in the group description on the web page (Intermediary

RE: end-to-end is important....Re: OPES is evil incarnate

2001-06-21 Thread Einar Stefferud
The semantic confusion here is caused by the total lack of any definition of BEST;-)... It is very hard to navigate in this landscape without a topological map! We don't even know here which way is UP or DOWN. Time to leap up a meta level or two, beyond this level of babel. I think Vernon is

Re: end-to-end is important....Re: OPES is evil incarnate

2001-06-21 Thread Jim Fleming
I am not sure IPv16-Compliant systems will be viewed as cheap IPv16-Compliant Technical Requirements -- NEBS - Network Equipment Building Standard FCC, UL, etc. 24 Cabinet Form Factor Front/Rear Access Dual -48vDC Power Grid Redundant copper 10/100 Ethernet Connections (IPv8)

Re: opes and technology picks

2001-06-21 Thread Brian E Carpenter
Markus Hofmann wrote: Brian, Because both the content originator and the content receiver should be able to veto (say) ad insertion. What about services that are executed only on behalf of the content receiver? Virus scanning might be one example. Other examples might be services

Re: WG Review: Open Pluggable Edge Services (opes)

2001-06-21 Thread ned . freed
offhand, I haven't thought of a service for which the consent of both parties should be required. A data escrow facility would seen to be an example of such a service. But even if examples of this are hard to come by, I don't think it would justify not including the ability to obtain consent

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Re: WG Review: Open Pluggable Edge Services (opes)

2001-06-21 Thread Michael W. Condry
At 01:29 PM 6/19/2001 -0700, Kevin Farley wrote: I believe OPES-like services are already creeping in. Consider wireless systems where a great deal of compression is employed to reduce data streams. This includes proprietary mechanisms to re-publish graphics and web pages to reduce bandwidth

Re: WG Review: Open Pluggable Edge Services (opes)

2001-06-21 Thread Michael W. Condry
At 12:18 PM 6/20/2001 -0400, Keith Moore wrote: Content/data is/are already being changed/modified/adapted/etc in transit and the IETF must deal with it sooner or later. that follows only if the IETF can make a useful contribution by dealing with it. it's not clear whether this is the

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Activity in Indonesia

2001-06-21 Thread Arief Hamdani Gunawan
Dear Sir/Madam, Division RisTI, the R D division of PT Telekomunikasi Indonesia, Tbk, the incumbent telecomunication operator in Indonesia will present and host the TPE - Connectivity Indonesia 2001, the theme: Internet and Multimedia Opportunity for All. It will be held on 10-14 October 2001.