"end-to-end" is important....Re: OPES is evil incarnate

2001-06-19 Thread Jim Fleming
Focusing on the positive... "end-to-end" is important, but relative to a particular Protocol/AddressSpace architecture The IPv8 cloud is end-to-end and can overlay on the IPv4 cloud. The IPv16 cloud is end-to-end and designed to be native and fast. Both can overlay on IPv6, which is generic and

Re: "end-to-end" is important....Re: OPES is evil incarnate

2001-06-19 Thread Einar Stefferud
And so:-)... May the best technology win! In general, the best does win, in due course;-)...\Stef At 12:08 -0500 19/06/01, Jim Fleming wrote: >Focusing on the positive... > >"end-to-end" is important, but relative to a particular >Protocol/AddressSpace architecture > >The IPv8 cloud is end-to-

Re: "end-to-end" is important....Re: OPES is evil incarnate

2001-06-20 Thread joaquin . riverarodriguez
>And so:-)... May the best technology win! > >In general, the best does win, in due course;-)...\Stef Once upon a time there where three home video systems: System 2000 was the best technology, more information recorded, better qualitybut too expensive. It died. Then there was the Be

RE: "end-to-end" is important....Re: OPES is evil incarnate

2001-06-20 Thread Ntwali . Rutazihana
I like it ! :-) Cheers, Jo -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2001 9:36 AM To: Einar Stefferud Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: "end-to-end" is important....Re: OPES is evil incarnate >And so:-)...

Re: "end-to-end" is important....Re: OPES is evil incarnate

2001-06-20 Thread John C Klensin
--On Wednesday, June 20, 2001 09:35 +0200 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Has anybody seen a VCR other than VHS on the last 10 years? A slightly optimistic note, although I agree with you and suggest that Stef's "in due course" can hide a long and painful period... Seen any of the recent "video to h

RE: "end-to-end" is important....Re: OPES is evil incarnate

2001-06-21 Thread TOMSON ERIC
The "best" doesn't always win. The "cheapest" often does. Look at VHS over Betamax. Look at Token Ring over Ethernet. :o) -Original Message- From: Einar Stefferud [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] And so:-)... May the best technology win! In general, the best does win, in due course;-)...\

RE: "end-to-end" is important....Re: OPES is evil incarnate

2001-06-21 Thread Vernon Schryver
> From: TOMSON ERIC <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > The "best" doesn't always win. > The "cheapest" often does. > > Look at VHS over Betamax. > Look at Token Ring over Ethernet. In fact, VHS was better than Betamax for what people wanted, and CSMA/CD was better than 802.5 on almost any grounds you care to

RE: "end-to-end" is important....Re: OPES is evil incarnate

2001-06-21 Thread Einar Stefferud
The semantic confusion here is caused by the total lack of any definition of "BEST";-)... It is very hard to navigate in this landscape without a topological map! We don't even know here which way is UP or DOWN. Time to leap up a meta level or two, beyond this level of babel. I think Vernon is

Re: "end-to-end" is important....Re: OPES is evil incarnate

2001-06-21 Thread Jim Fleming
t; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'Einar Stefferud'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 10:06 AM Subject: RE: "end-to-end" is importantRe: OPES is evil incarnate > The "best" doesn't always win. >

VHS vs. BETAMAX....Re: "end-to-end" is important....Re: OPES is evil incarnate

2001-06-20 Thread Jim Fleming
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Einar Stefferud" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2001 2:35 AM Subject: Re: "end-to-end" is importantRe: OPES is evil incarnate > > > > >And so:-)... May the best technology win!