Re: [ietf-privacy] [Int-area] NAT Reveal / Host Identifiers

2014-06-05 Thread Bernard Aboba
Ted said: "If there are problems with the document, part of the adoption process should be the identification of those flaws and an agreement to address them. So bringing up those flaws during the adoption process is crucial to the process." [BA] I would agree that there should be an agreement

Re: [ietf-privacy] [Int-area] NAT Reveal / Host Identifiers

2014-06-05 Thread Ted Lemon
On Jun 5, 2014, at 4:28 PM, Brian E Carpenter wrote: > I have to call you on that. WG adoption is not approval. It's agreement > to work on a topic. It is not OK to attempt a pocket veto on adoption > because you don't like the existing content. WG adoption is a pretty heavy action. It states

Re: [ietf-privacy] [Int-area] WG Adoption

2014-06-05 Thread Joel M. Halpern
Brian, in my experience working group adoption is more than the working group agreeing to work on the topic. It is generally the working group agreeing that the given document is a good basis for starting the work. Yes, there will almost always be need for improvement. Sometimes major improv

Re: [ietf-privacy] NAT Reveal / Host Identifiers

2014-06-05 Thread mohamed.boucadair
Re-, I have two comments: (1) If one missed the following sentences in -04 "Below is listed as set of requirements to be used to characterize each use case (discussed in Section 3):" and "Once this list is stabilized, each use case will be checked against these requirements.", then the

Re: [ietf-privacy] NAT Reveal / Host Identifiers

2014-06-05 Thread mohamed.boucadair
Dear all, FWIW, the latest version is http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-boucadair-intarea-host-identifier-scenarios-05. There is a section about privacy that basically refers to http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6967#section-3. Identifying other privacy-related concerns that are not discussed in RF

Re: [ietf-privacy] NAT Reveal / Host Identifiers

2014-06-05 Thread Stephen Farrell
Hi Med, On 05/06/14 14:11, mohamed.boucad...@orange.com wrote: > Hi Stephen, > > You referred in your message to an old version. That was the one for which the adoption call was issued. I guess just a typo. I looked quickly at the diff between 04 and 05 and my conclusion remains the same and

Re: [ietf-privacy] NAT Reveal / Host Identifiers

2014-06-05 Thread mohamed.boucadair
Hi Stephen, You referred in your message to an old version. The latest version of the document does not include any requirement, it is only an inventory of use cases when problems are encountered. The latest version is available at: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-boucadair-intarea-host-identi

Re: [ietf-privacy] NAT Reveal / Host Identifiers

2014-06-05 Thread Stephen Farrell
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hiya, On 05/06/14 08:05, Hannes Tschofenig wrote: > If you want to review a document with privacy implications then > have a look at the NAT reveal / host identifier work (with > draft-boucadair-intarea-host-identifier-scenarios-04 currently in > a

[ietf-privacy] NAT Reveal / Host Identifiers

2014-06-05 Thread Hannes Tschofenig
If you want to review a document with privacy implications then have a look at the NAT reveal / host identifier work (with draft-boucadair-intarea-host-identifier-scenarios-04 currently in a call for adoption). I had raised my concerns several times now on the mailing list and during the meetings.