Re: [Ifeffit] P K-edge EXAFS

2023-09-13 Thread Mike Massey
The other difficulty I have experienced with P EXAFS is that a lot of the second-shell backscatterers are fairly weak, so picking that signal out is pretty difficult. I have some spectra of minerals and that's where I've wanted to start with P EXAFS (since the structures are well-constrained).

Re: [Ifeffit] P K-edge EXAFS

2023-09-13 Thread Robert Gordon
Hi, You could try X-ray emission rather than EXAFS. It has shown some success in showing changes in phosphate environment with bonding environment. e.g. https://pubs.rsc.org/en/content/articlelanding/2021/sc/d1sc01266e cheers, -R. On 2023-09-13 12:47 p.m., matthew marcus wrote: Good points. 

Re: [Ifeffit] P K-edge EXAFS

2023-09-13 Thread matthew marcus
Good points. At these low energies, an EXAFS range is a large fraction of the total energy range, so there tends to be a lot of curvature of baselines and post-edges. True about the 4O 1NN shell that dominates, but the same happens with As. All the interesting stuff is in the higher shells.

Re: [Ifeffit] P K-edge EXAFS

2023-09-13 Thread Mike Massey
In my experience the main difficulties with EXAFS on P (phosphate) come from two factors (not signal to noise, it's not hard to get a nice smooth line, but): 1) You've got 4 O atoms, guaranteed, so any other signal will be small and on top of that very strong signal generated from the first-neig

Re: [Ifeffit] P K-edge EXAFS

2023-09-13 Thread matthew marcus
It's not impossible, but difficult for a couple of reasons: 1. Not too many beamlines can do it. It's hard for soft X-ray beamlines and soft for hard X-ray beamlines. Air absorption is significant. If a Si DCM is used, the Bragg angle has to be higher than many monochromators can reach. 2.

[Ifeffit] P K-edge EXAFS

2023-09-13 Thread Marcelo Eduardo Alves
Hi there, I begin by examining phosphorus adsorption by goethite, hematite, and gibbsite. Why is it difficult, if not impossible, to obtain EXAFS spectra at the P-K edge that can be properly used, i.e., spectra with a high signal-to-noise ratio, especially for dilute samples? Would it be possibl