>
>
> >>> import Crypto
> >>> import twisted.conch.ssh.transport
> >>> twisted.conch.ssh.transport.RSA
> Traceback (most recent call last):
> File "", line 1, in
> AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'RSA'
>
> twisted.conch.ssh.transport clearly has no attribute RSA. You can confirm
Hello,
On Wed, 30 Sep 2009, Girish Venkatachalam wrote:
> Of course, that is a good thing. The utility is powerful but I
> don't like it. It should have been way more simpler and friendlier
> and still powerful.
Write such a (simpler and user-friendly) utility or at least design
one!
People crit
>> >>> import Crypto
>> >>> import twisted.conch.ssh.transport
>> >>> twisted.conch.ssh.transport.RSA
>> Traceback (most recent call last):
>> File "", line 1, in
>> AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'RSA'
>>
>> twisted.conch.ssh.transport clearly has no attribute RSA. You can
>> c
What are you trying to do ?
I am trying to install Twisted...
Perhaps you can paste a few more lines of the code that you are trying to
run.
i still didnt start to write applications.. i am still at initial stage..
Installation..
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On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 1:50 PM, Kapil Hari Paranjape wrote:
> C is neither easy to write nor easy to read!
>
> Quite the other way around. C is a very structured language. And there are
almost no rules in 'C'. You can assign an char to a integer, integer to a
char. Do a unstructured goto like in
On Wednesday 30 Sep 2009 2:12:18 pm Manvendra Bhangui wrote:
> You can take the following 'C' program as an example. Write the same in
> perl and enjoy the gunk that comes out.
>
> int
> main(int argc, char **argv, char **envp)
> {
> __write(1, "hello world\n", 12);
> }
what does this program do?
On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 2:16 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves
wrote:
> On Wednesday 30 Sep 2009 2:12:18 pm Manvendra Bhangui wrote:
> > You can take the following 'C' program as an example. Write the same in
> > perl and enjoy the gunk that comes out.
> >
> > int
> > main(int argc, char **argv, char **envp)
On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 2:03 PM, sudharsan s wrote:
> What are you trying to do ?
>
> I am trying to install Twisted...
>
> Perhaps you can paste a few more lines of the code that you are trying to
> run.
> i still didnt start to write applications.. i am still at initial stage..
> Installation..
On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 2:12 PM, Manvendra Bhangui wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 1:50 PM, Kapil Hari Paranjape
> wrote:
>
>> C is neither easy to write nor easy to read!
>>
>> Quite the other way around. C is a very structured language. And there are
> almost no rules in 'C'. You can assign an
On Wednesday 30 Sep 2009 2:23:16 pm Manvendra Bhangui wrote:
> > On Wednesday 30 Sep 2009 2:12:18 pm Manvendra Bhangui wrote:
> > > You can take the following 'C' program as an example. Write the same in
> > > perl and enjoy the gunk that comes out.
> > >
> > > int
> > > main(int argc, char **argv,
On 09/30/2009 02:29 PM, Manvendra Bhangui wrote:
> The equivalent program in perl would be
> #!/usr/bin/perl
> print "hello world\n";
>
> (just two lines instead of 5 lines in the 'C' program. But an strace on both
> show
> the C programs does the same job with 23 system calls
> the perl program
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>
> 2009/9/28 Thyagarajan தியாகராஜன் gmail.com>
>
> > The Cheif reporter responded.
> > FYI
> > > All of you are always welcome.
> >
>
> HI !
>
> I did my bit !
>
> *வாசகர் கருத்து*
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On 09/30/2009 02:29 PM, Manvendra Bhangui wrote:
On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 2:12 PM, Manvendra Bhanguiwrote:
[...snip...]
e.g.
You can take the following 'C' program as an example. Write the same in
perl and enjoy the gunk that comes out.
int
main(int argc, char **argv, char **envp)
{
__wri
On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 2:40 PM, Rahul Sundaram
wrote:
>
> Sure and writing in assembly language will probably use even few sys
> calls. However I think the focus is on the wrong place in this argument.
> Programmer's time is often more valuable than machine time.
>
> Agreed. However it depends on
On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 2:50 PM, steve wrote:
>
> Come dude ! ...that's a lousy argument and you know it. I, myself, prefer
> python to C and C to perl ...but won't ever look at number of syscalls to
> defend my preference.
>
I deal with sites that do more than 3 million visitor per day. And I ha
On Wednesday 30 Sep 2009 2:51:15 pm Manvendra Bhangui wrote:
> > Sure and writing in assembly language will probably use even few sys
> > calls. However I think the focus is on the wrong place in this argument.
> > Programmer's time is often more valuable than machine time.
> >
> > Agreed. However
On Wednesday 30 Sep 2009 2:59:43 pm Manvendra Bhangui wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 2:50 PM, steve wrote:
> > Come dude ! ...that's a lousy argument and you know it. I, myself, prefer
> > python to C and C to perl ...but won't ever look at number of syscalls to
> > defend my preference.
>
> I d
On 09/30/2009 02:59 PM, Manvendra Bhangui wrote:
On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 2:50 PM, steve wrote:
Come dude ! ...that's a lousy argument and you know it. I, myself, prefer
python to C and C to perl ...but won't ever look at number of syscalls to
defend my preference.
I deal with sites that
On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 3:13 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves
wrote:
>
> for that matter facebook handles more than that a day - so does youtube -
> they
> use python servers. I believe that they are getting bang for their buck. As
> are google, yahoo, livejournal ... none of them use C. As some one
> remark
On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 3:19 PM, steve wrote:
> -- I won't ever defend my preference of language /solely/ by citing the
> number of syscalls that a final executable needs at runtime.
>
> It's a free country and that's your choice. It never will be mine. As long
as I can write something faster and
On 09/30/2009 03:41 PM, Manvendra Bhangui wrote:
On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 3:19 PM, steve wrote:
-- I won't ever defend my preference of language /solely/ by citing the
number of syscalls that a final executable needs at runtime.
It's a free country and that's your choice. It never will be m
On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 3:53 PM, steve wrote:
>
> the C programs does the same job with 23 system calls
>> the perl program takes 160 system calls to just print the line "hello
>> world"
>> on screen
>>
>
> The intent of reply was to point out that ...
>
> the C programs does the same job with
On 09/30/2009 04:04 PM, Manvendra Bhangui wrote:
I never did speak about comparing number of syscalls to the appropriateness
of a language.
ORLY ?
>
> How easy you find a language, depends on how you learnt it and how much
> passion you have for it. For me 'C' is like poetry. Just do an strace
On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 12:17 PM, sudharsan s wrote:
> Hi Luggies..
> I am new to twisted environment i started with the Book Twisted Network
> Programming EssentialsBy Abe Fettig , Publisher O'Reilly..
Twisted is event programming with Python. Learning events is hard.
Thank God finally someone
On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 4:17 PM, Girish Venkatachalam <
girishvenkatacha...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Learning events is hard.
>
Eh? I presume you mean 'debugging' events is hard.
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On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 4:11 PM, steve wrote:
> On 09/30/2009 04:04 PM, Manvendra Bhangui wrote:
>
>>
>> I never did speak about comparing number of syscalls to the
>> appropriateness
>> of a language.
>>
> ORLY ?
>
> >
> > How easy you find a language, depends on how you learnt it and how much
>
Hello,
I apologise for offending people and igniting a flamewar.
However, I could not prevent myself from writing the following long
response. :-(
On Wed, 30 Sep 2009, Manvendra Bhangui wrote:
> I am sorry about that. I honestly wanted to have some meaningful
> conversation and my point was only
2009/9/28 Thyagarajan தியாகராஜன்
> Hello Friends,
>
> The Cheif reporter responded.
> FYI
>
> 2009/9/28 rangarajpandey
>
> > Hi!
> >
> > This is Pandey, Chief Reporter, Dinamalar.
> >
> > Thank you very much for your feed back.
> >
> > This is the simple message:
> >
> > Contribution of right pr
From: steve
>>If you *really* want to go that way and do a 'relevant' one-to-one
>>comparison, you have to include the number of syscalls being made by
gcc >>when compiling your code to binary ...which is essentially what
the perl >>interpreter is doing for you for 'free'.
> the C programs does
I had told myself to leave when things get flamy, but this is hard to
walk away from, so just a few words. (Muhahahaha..)
On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 6:01 PM, Kapil Hari Paranjape wrote:
> That is certainly true. There are indeed a large number of good
> programs written in C --- however, even those
On 09/30/2009 06:52 PM, Prem Kurian Philip wrote:
From: steve
If you *really* want to go that way and do a 'relevant' one-to-one
comparison, you have to include the number of syscalls being made by
gcc>>when compiling your code to binary ...which is essentially what
the perl>>interpreter is d
On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 6:01 PM, Kapil Hari Paranjape wrote:
>
> While your intentions were honourable, your remark was about speed
> and efficiency and number of syscalls --- none of which has anything
> to do with reading/writing C!
>
It does have. The flexibility of writing in C is that I can
On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 8:51 PM, Manvendra Bhangui wrote:
> It does have. The flexibility of writing in C is that I can further reduce
> the syscalls. It gives me so many ways to manipulate my environment. On a
> server like a mail server which is processing few million mails a day,
> choice betwe
On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 9:04 PM, Roshan Mathews wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 8:51 PM, Manvendra Bhangui
> wrote:
> > It does have. The flexibility of writing in C is that I can further
> reduce
> > the syscalls. It gives me so many ways to manipulate my environment. On a
> > server like a ma
On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 9:25 PM, Manvendra Bhangui wrote:
> Yes.
>
That's quite interesting. Where was this, if you don't mind sharing
that. I haven't written much C at work, and I guess I've never seen
much industrial C either then. Never would have expected to be
hovering right near assembly.
On 09/30/2009 06:52 PM, Prem Kurian Philip wrote:
> Ultimately, yes, it does come down to the number of instructions which are
> executed by a platform for performing a single function. No one in their
> right mind will argue that a program written in C wouldn't be faster than
> the equivalent pro
Hello,
Since naming specific languages seems to activate the sensitive
spots, I will restrict myself to "abstract nonsense" here.
There are a number of terms that are used when measuring (programming)
languages. Sometimes these are called "language metrics":
1. Popularity: The number of people
On 09/30/2009 10:06 PM, Kapil Hari Paranjape wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Since naming specific languages seems to activate the sensitive
> spots, I will restrict myself to "abstract nonsense" here.
>
> There are a number of terms that are used when measuring (programming)
> languages. Sometimes these are
On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 9:40 PM, Roshan Mathews wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 9:25 PM, Manvendra Bhangui
> wrote:
> > Yes.
> >
> That's quite interesting. Where was this, if you don't mind sharing
>
The spamassasin example was at Sify. At that point we were hit by spam and
virus
specifically
On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 10:06 PM, Kapil Hari Paranjape
wrote:
> Since naming specific languages seems to activate the sensitive
> spots, I will restrict myself to "abstract nonsense" here.
>
Oh, please be specific. Trying to be PC means you don't get much done
anyways. The ultra-sensitivity her
On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 10:18 PM, Manvendra Bhangui wrote:
> The spamassasin example was at Sify. At that point we were hit by spam and
> virus
> specifically targeted at Sify. And the servers were just not able to cope up
> with the load. One night of frantic coding and the spamassasin was replac
Balachandar wrote:
> HI luggies,
>I have some optimized c code snippets. I want to know how much memory it
> takes before and after optimization.Is there any tool for it??
>
Another,
http://valgrind.org/
Thanks,
Mohan R
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On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 11:10 AM, Balachandar
wrote:
> I have some optimized c code snippets. I want to know how much memory it
> takes before and after optimization.Is there any tool for it??
There are many tools to choose from:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memory_debugger
Valgrind is a p
On 09/30/2009 11:10 AM, Balachandar wrote:
HI luggies,
I have some optimized c code snippets. I want to know how much memory it
takes before and after optimization.Is there any tool for it??
Hmm, in my enthusiasm to participate in a flame, i forgot to reply to this,
although i did have a
On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 11:54 PM, jemenisuresh wrote:
> we are studying final year EEE.
>
> in my collage we use the MI POWER software for power system analysis tools,
> Real time zooming facility Multi layer support for single line diagrams.
>
> this software cost is around 2.75lakes for few syst
On Wed, 2009-09-30 at 05:40 +, Balachandar wrote:
> HI luggies,
>I have some optimized c code snippets. I want to know how much memory it
> takes before and after optimization.Is there any tool for it??
insert getrusage() in your code
man getrusage(2)
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Friends.
Nowadays, we see more students are coming towards to contribute.
We need to show them on how to contribute.
Programming and releasing their code is a great way.
But,I see most students have fear to code and
they dont believe that they can do programming.
We can make them to code gradua
On Wednesday 30 Sep 2009 6:52:10 pm Prem Kurian Philip wrote:
> A compiler is required to create the machine code just once - while an
> interpreter will need to do this every time a script is done - unless you
> are using pre-compilation.
unless you change the code, python uses precompiled code -
On Wednesday 30 Sep 2009 3:36:09 pm Manvendra Bhangui wrote:
> > for that matter facebook handles more than that a day - so does youtube -
> > they
> > use python servers. I believe that they are getting bang for their buck.
> > As are google, yahoo, livejournal ... none of them use C. As some one
On Wednesday 30 Sep 2009 10:06:29 pm Kapil Hari Paranjape wrote:
> 1. If we are writing for a specialised developer community,
> popularity has little value.
> 2. If we are writing small programs, efficiency of the running
> code may not bother us at all. Also compiler efficiency is of li
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Hi luggies,
I am going to create a distributed applications and also i need to
show the high performance of my application,in this case i need to have
more clients
how it is possible to create more no of clients for apache server in same
host?
also i ll use the high perfor
On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 2:37 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:
> I remember some time in the previous century yahoo! stated they were moving
> from 'legacy C programming' to php (with a lot of reasons why they did not
> choose perl) (since google had grabbed python, yahoo! could not consider
> python wi
From: Rahul Sundaram
>> Ultimately, yes, it does come down to the number of instructions which are
>> executed by a platform for performing a single function. No one in their
>> right mind will argue that a program written in C wouldn't be faster than
>> the equivalent program written in any othe
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--- On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 8:51 PM, Manvendra Bhangui
wrote:
| The flexibility of writing in C is that I can further reduce
| the syscalls. It gives me so many ways to manipulate my environment.
\--
Agreed.
---
| each syscall counts and I cannot
| explain the relief and the pride one feels
On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 2:59 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:
> actually in today's 'web2.0' world, the only mantra is turnaround time -
> how
> fast you get into production. Resources (with the exception of developer
> time)
> are cheap and plentiful, so most of the criteria applicable in the previous
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