Re: [Ilugc] why embedded Linux not having swap partition.

2012-04-02 Thread Sathishkumar Duraisamy
On Sun, Apr 1, 2012 at 4:06 PM, Bharathi Subramanian bharathi.l...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 5:13 PM, Arun Venkataswamy arun...@gmail.com wrote: Arun pointed out the main reason for not including the Swap in Embedded device. I will try to add some more info Let me confuse you

Re: [Ilugc] why embedded Linux not having swap partition.

2012-03-31 Thread Krishna
On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 7:38 AM, kenneth gonsalves law...@thenilgiris.comwrote: On Wed, 2012-03-28 at 15:21 +0200, Krishna wrote: This thread is full of theoretical stuff, lot of useful info but nowadays I only deal with practical reality. This is No Theory, I am not understanding

[Ilugc] why embedded Linux not having swap partition.

2012-03-28 Thread Ganesh Kumar
Hi guys, I am asking silly doubt. Why embedded linux not having swap partition, I have scened many embedded distros(debian6, ubuntu,open embedded). All have doe's not have swap partition. when I try to install with X86 it's mandatory swap will there. please guide me guys. -Ganesh. Did I learn

Re: [Ilugc] why embedded Linux not having swap partition.

2012-03-28 Thread Balaji Foss
I am asking silly doubt. Why embedded linux not having swap partition, I have scened many embedded distros(debian6, ubuntu,open embedded). All have doe's not have swap partition. when I try to install with X86 it's mandatory swap will there. please guide me guys. AFAIK you don't need Virtual

Re: [Ilugc] why embedded Linux not having swap partition.

2012-03-28 Thread Arun Venkataswamy
On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 12:41 PM, Ganesh Kumar bugcy...@gmail.com wrote: I am asking silly doubt. Why embedded linux not having swap partition, - From a design perspective, the design team will know how much RAM is required for a purpose built embedded device. This amount of RAM would

Re: [Ilugc] why embedded Linux not having swap partition.

2012-03-28 Thread Krishna
On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 9:20 AM, Balaji Foss balajig.f...@gmail.com wrote: I am asking silly doubt. Why embedded linux not having swap partition, I have scened many embedded distros(debian6, ubuntu,open embedded). All have doe's not have swap partition. when I try to install with X86 it's

Re: [Ilugc] why embedded Linux not having swap partition.

2012-03-28 Thread Balaji Foss
Swap memory is concerned with paging. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paging http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paging Paging is part of Virtual Memory. Page tables maintain the mapping between the Virtual Memory and the Physical Memory. You have virtual memory in embedded system. Embedded systems

Re: [Ilugc] why embedded Linux not having swap partition.

2012-03-28 Thread Arun Venkataswamy
On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 3:05 PM, Balaji Foss balajig.f...@gmail.com wrote: Embedded systems generally dont have Virtual Memory because the access times are non deterministic. In general, very few embedded systems really need deterministic operation. Irrespective of virtual memory support,

Re: [Ilugc] why embedded Linux not having swap partition.

2012-03-28 Thread 0
You have virtual memory in embedded system. Embedded systems generally dont have Virtual Memory because the access times are non deterministic. Don't applications/processes on embedded system have their own dedicated address space ? I would think having dedicated address space requires

Re: [Ilugc] why embedded Linux not having swap partition.

2012-03-28 Thread Zico
On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 3:35 PM, Balaji Foss balajig.f...@gmail.com wrote: Swap memory is concerned with paging. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paging http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paging Paging is part of Virtual Memory. Page tables maintain the mapping between the Virtual Memory and the

Re: [Ilugc] why embedded Linux not having swap partition.

2012-03-28 Thread Krishna
On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 11:35 AM, Balaji Foss balajig.f...@gmail.comwrote: Swap memory is concerned with paging. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paging http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paging Paging is part of Virtual Memory. Page tables maintain the mapping between the Virtual Memory and the

Re: [Ilugc] why embedded Linux not having swap partition.

2012-03-28 Thread Raja Subramanian
On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 3:45 PM, Zico mailz...@gmail.com wrote: I am sorry, but, what does it means by access times are non deterministic? Pardon me, I don't have any knowledge on Embedded system architecture. :) non deterministic is CS lingo for unpredictable. Assume you are accessing a memory

Re: [Ilugc] why embedded Linux not having swap partition.

2012-03-28 Thread Girish Venkatachalam
This thread is full of theoretical stuff, lot of useful info but nowadays I only deal with practical reality. That is the single biggest problem with the people I meet here in LUG. You have to get practical doubts. Theory is fine but we have to grow beyond that. I have worked on few embedded

Re: [Ilugc] why embedded Linux not having swap partition.

2012-03-28 Thread Krishna
On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 2:54 PM, Girish Venkatachalam girishvenkatacha...@gmail.com wrote: This thread is full of theoretical stuff, lot of useful info but nowadays I only deal with practical reality. This is No Theory, I am not understanding what you mean by practical reality. Can you

Re: [Ilugc] why embedded Linux not having swap partition.

2012-03-28 Thread Zico
On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 4:54 PM, Raja Subramanian rajasuper...@gmail.comwrote: On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 3:45 PM, Zico mailz...@gmail.com wrote: I am sorry, but, what does it means by access times are non deterministic? Pardon me, I don't have any knowledge on Embedded system architecture. :)

Re: [Ilugc] why embedded Linux not having swap partition.

2012-03-28 Thread Raja Subramanian
On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 6:24 PM, Girish Venkatachalam girishvenkatacha...@gmail.com wrote: This thread is full of theoretical stuff, lot of useful info but nowadays I only deal with practical reality. That is the single biggest problem with the people I meet here in LUG. You have to get

Re: [Ilugc] why embedded Linux not having swap partition.

2012-03-28 Thread 0
This thread is full of theoretical stuff, lot of useful info but nowadays I only deal with practical reality. That is the single biggest problem with the people I meet here in LUG. You have to get practical doubts. Theory is fine but we have to grow beyond that. I have worked on few

Re: [Ilugc] why embedded Linux not having swap partition.

2012-03-28 Thread kenneth gonsalves
On Wed, 2012-03-28 at 15:21 +0200, Krishna wrote: This thread is full of theoretical stuff, lot of useful info but nowadays I only deal with practical reality. This is No Theory, I am not understanding what you mean by practical reality. Can you explain the difference? How far is it

Re: [Ilugc] why embedded Linux not having swap partition.

2012-03-28 Thread 0
I must thank the OP for bringing up this question because after posting my earlier response I wanted to understand this in more detail and found this gem: http://www.embeddedinsights.com/channels/2010/07/21/to-mmu-or-not-to-mmu/ Interesting article, thanks for sharing. -- 0